[quote=@Inkarnate]Also as someone who participated in the Arena format for nearly twenty years I can't say I think anything Dias has mentioned are ideas I think are fundamentally good at any level. [/quote] 20 years in Arena format and yet between your current account and that Gowi account, you collectively only have 1 fight in your own community's Arena? (A fight that apparently never even finished...) And you've been here collectively 5 years? I didn't know being a spectator counted. =P If you've been playing in the Arena for 20 years, and you can't see the obvious value to any of the points I made "for an Arena", then something smells kinda fishy to me. If you wanna bring up experience to justify talking shit to someone, at least bring something worthwhile to the table. Or at the very least, have something more recent in said forum you're talking shit in besides an unfinished fight from a year ago. [quote=@Mobius] That's where you're wrong. It built my community and it's slowly growing. I just have the wherewithal to capitalize on it and do a lot of the work-load to make things happen. [/quote] Fair point. But in regards in this place? Your tournament is the only one I know of on here that's actually finished. I'm just saying, people keep trying to suggest running a tournament as if that'll fix this Arena's problem even though that experiment has already been attempted by them. I'm saying what they really need is a legitimate overhaul and start incorporating NEW ideas instead of thinking they already got this thing figured out. “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.”- Albert Einstein