[quote=@Inkarnate] It is very true that I haven't participated in a meaningful manner in RPG's Arena. But trying to invalidate my perspective because of that is really immature and nonsensical.[/quote] I wasn't invalidating your perspective, I was invalidating your supposed 20 year record for literally saying everything in said list (including a rulebook...) was "fundamentally not a good idea." And its kinda hard to invalidate your perspective when you aren't actually giving one. "This is bad because because 20 years of playing in the Arena" isn't an argument, its just someone trying too hard to be asinine. =P [quote] Also, Dias, all I said was essentially that I disagree with you not that I had any constructive counterpoints.[/quote] That...makes it even worse. So you disagree with something even though you have no actual reasoning for doing so? O_o [quote] This kind of hostility and condescension is only proof of strengthing the perception of Arena as having a toxic sentiment.[/quote] Bro, YOU started it. You wanna talk about toxic? -Dubs every idea someone gives as being "fundamentally bad" because of 20 years of experience. (Condescending) -Admits after the fact that they didn't actually have any constructive counterpoints. (Provocation) -Gets called out for their blatant nonsense and then tries to use that to call others toxic despite being toxic himself. (Hypocrisy) You picked a fight with the wrong person, padre. [quote] If you think "talking shit" is an excuse of being antagonistic then I don't think Arena getting [i]better[/i] and becoming more [i]inviting[/i] is going to happen.[/quote] Talking shit is LITERALLY the act of antagonizing, I don't know why you're writing that as if the two are different things. And with people like you stalking around this place yeah, I'm inclined to agree, although I would apply that same logic to the entire site. Its Elitists like you who ultimately cause the death of communities. [quote] Invalidating an experienced RPer's thoughts is counterproductive to reforming Arena, not that I particularly care personally.[/quote] 1: Who are you again and why should I care? For all I know your 20 year record is an utter farce, I don't know you just like you don't know me. I had no reason to question your experience up until you pulled that boneheaded stunt. 2: "Invalidating an experienced RPer's thoughts" has to be some sort of joke. If we don't know each other, then why assume that your 20 years of experience alone is all you need to invalidate the ideas I was suggesting? There is a huuuuuuuge difference between disagreeing with someone and being a Troll. And not even a good Troll. 3: You certainly cared enough to defend yourself. Maybe next time don't go sticking your foot in your mouth. [quote] Also, I will amend my point and stating a clear and concise rulebook would be a good idea if the community as a whole could even agree on the approach we want to take.[/quote] LOL... Well since you're clearly one of the problems around here, I don't know. You might need to be excluded from the decision making process for the community. I can't see anyone getting anything accomplished what with you just randomly disagreeing with shit for no actual reason. I hope you aren't a staffer, that doesn't sound like the sort of admitted behavior befitting of a Forum Mod. And if you are then perhaps it would behoove someone to re-evaluate that decision. [quote]Eh. I don't particularly vibe with any of the ideas. I can see the appeal of them (and have seen some of them in process), but fundamentally by my perspective, I don't really think they are good for helping reform [i]RPG's[/i] Arena like so many people want to do here. If you want to be more inviting more competitiveness won't really bring in new interested parties. [/quote] Facts over Feelings, chief. Maybe if you actually bothered to read what I had wrote (Which you clearly didn't) you would have seen the stuff about Teams and Gauntlet Challenges, both of which focus more on teamwork, being more inclusive of different kinds of players like those who prefer to play more supportive roles to aid allies and building up the community as a whole to establish more interpersonal relationships with others. Again, another reason I find myself questioning your experience, I mean this is basic shit I've suggested. How in the hell do you claim to be around that long and yet don't know this? Are you kidding me? The only explanations I can personally come to are either A) you're lying about yourself or B) you spent all that time in a bubble and never actually expanded your horizons. (Ahem; [i]"Bazinga~"[/i]) [quote=@BrokenPromise] But I do think most of your ideas won't work because it's just "let's rework and add systems nobody cares about!"[/quote] Who is this "nobody" you speak of? Making the assumption that "nobody cares" has no supporting evidence to back it up. How does that facilitate a rational discussion with meaningful debate? I disputed the notion of holding yet ANOTHER tournament being the magical solution to the raised problem concerning this Arena. I provided not only an argument but also a list of solutions, further backing my argument. So far, the only counter arguments I received have been "these ideas are fundamentally bad because I say so" and now "nobody cares!" And this is while I'm hearing those on that side of the fence claiming OTHERS are the problem, that OTHERS are the ones who are toxic and uninviting. Let's add some more perspective here, I am NOT from RPGuild. This is not my community. This is not my forum. I am exactly the "outsider" demographic you guys are talking about. I'm fresh blood around here. So the question becomes, how do YOU get new faces like ME to stick around and be active in this place? [quote] in the case of idea 4 "let's make something that isn't anything like arena to trick people into RPing here!"[/quote] Who decided Gauntlet Challenges weren't an Arena thing? C'mon guys... -_- The Arena is RP Fighting. Did you think that only applies to one particular kind of combat format? No, of course not. -Sparring -Dueling -2vs2 (Round Robin or Tag Team) -Team vs Team (Round Robin or Elimination) -Free For All -Skirmish (Clan vs Clan, Neutral Setting) -Survival (Fight until you drop) -Time Attack (Complete Objective in "X" number of posts) -Gauntlet (Players vs Mods) -Tournaments Literally, its everything and anything related to the FIGHTING aspects in RPing. That's why I also said the notion that the Arena needs to be "less competitive" is absurd when that's what the Arena exists for. [quote] I think all that really has to happen is that people have to start showing less toxicity to "outsiders" and actually try to make the newby tourney work.[/quote] OR you try offering them some actual CULTURE and give folks incentive to be more involved and want to spend their time here? Tournaments are something you do when you have an active community. You don't. You have a skeleton that hardly even resembles a forum since its lacking basic things like a Rulebook and a broken Leaderboard that has no real meaning other than stroking the ego of some while shaming others. Rankings exist to serve as something to strive for. They are milestones. Its something someone can achieve and feel good about. Someone just hit B Rank? WHOO! Good job, mate. That's a sign of legitimate progress. It builds self-confidence, its less about competition and more about personal improvement. You don't get that with this leaderboard nonsense, that's more likely to intimidate newcomers and discourage them from participating because they don't want a negative score. Teams are another thing. You're new to the Arena? Consider hooking up with a group of more seasoned players. Not only does that give the older folks something to do (You know, training the next generation, which a lot of folks in my generation obviously dropped the ball on... -_- ), but it also gets the newcomers involved and ENGAGED. Social Engagement is one of the key factors to Community growth as it stimulates our brains with Serotonin. [youtube]https://youtu.be/z-79WwFMiO0[/youtube] [quote=Burger] You know, nothing is stopping you from doing all of that without the site's support.[/quote] [quote] Complaining about infrastructure when you have all the tools you need to build that infrastructure is like dying of thirst because you're too lazy to draw water from a well.[/quote] ....ITS YOUR FUCKING FORUM! ARE YOU SHITTING ME!? Accusing others of being lazy while then expecting them to do the god damn work for you. Unbelievable. You're here having a public discussion about what kind of ideas can be used to increase activity and bring in more outsiders. I weigh in on said public discussion. No, no. Its not MY job. RPGuild has Mods/Admins. This isn't fucking Walmart or Target where the Team Leaders reap the benefits of the unappreciated workers who bust their asses to make the boss look good. To you, I'm the fucking customer giving feedback on the company. If people wanna just disregard said feedback for bullshit reasons (or no reasons at all) then oh wellz, guess that's even less reason for anyone to stick around this place. But don't sit there and try playing that kind of shit show with me. Tell you what, I'll cut a deal with ya. Pay me. You wanna hire my services? Cool beans, I need the money. Make me a Mod too while you're at it, get a title to go with my payment. That's the only thing you have to offer me, you've done a horrible job of motivating me to wanna put in the time and effort of my own accord. [quote] uninvited dumbass who doesn't participate in arena.[/quote] LOL! But I'm the toxic one. Hokay~