[quote=@Mobius]PVP and competition is all about playing to win. There is no other way to play and saying otherwise is disingenuous, and if new players cannot understand this basic concept then don't come to the arena or participate in tournaments. There is no other reason to play fighting games, card games, compet FPS, or any of it but to win and do your best. [/quote] I've said it once and said it before. Arena-style roleplaying has in the past – admittedly on other sites – been more about creating a fight that is enjoyable no matter the outcome. That can be encouraged here. It seems enough people prefer it than people clamoring for wins, arguing about the leaderboards, and having the “ready to lose scrub?” mentality. This also goes into my point of treating other people in Arena OOC's differently than they have been in the past. Like I said, "tone down on the attitude so people can find talking with people in the forum non-confrontational and you'll have more people joining long-term". You can disagree on the notion that competitive orientation being problematic, but I'm sorry but there are other ways to look at Arena-style RP than just “play to win”. I've experienced it on older forums, but “play to have fun, win or lose” is just as valid and for RPG as a community I personally think its better for the sub-forum going forward. [quote=@Rilla]Again, just do something. Clucking in here isn't going to help the Arena, which you all seem to want to do. Start a tournament, book some fights. Hell have a 'ArenaMania", come together and do something. Learn from each other. See how different characters work, see what new ideas you guys can create. [/quote] I would, but unfortunately, at this time I have too many roleplay commitments to run something on a more active basis (like Tex wants for instance). I have time to set aside for discussion and dialogue but not running something large that takes a lot of time and focus. Maybe in the future. We'll see.