[quote=@Inkarnate]
I've said it once and said it before. Arena-style roleplaying has in the past – admittedly on other sites – been more about creating a fight that is enjoyable no matter the outcome.[/quote]

That's a first I've heard of it. People come to play to win cause it's a game and the story comes later if at all.

[quote=@Inkarnate]It seems enough people prefer it than people clamoring for wins, arguing about the leaderboards, and having the “ready to lose scrub?” mentality.[/quote]

Oh yeah? I challenge that right off the bat. Where are they and show me their activity then. Go make it happen right now instead of telling me that it exist, because I don't see it.



[quote=@inkarnate]You can disagree on the notion that competitive orientation being problematic, but I'm sorry but there are other ways to look at Arena-style RP than just “play to win”.[/quote]

That is as much as your opinion as it is mine, but the purpose of fighting is to win. You don't join a tournament to lose. No one who is serious does that. You can join a fight to improve(get better at winning) or because pitting wits is fun(to see how you can win). You can do it because fighting is how you tell a story, but don't sit and say there's more than playing to win for competitive play and arena. The end of all of those motivations always come down to whether someone wins or loses.. even your precious stories have winners and losers. That's just life.

[quote=@inkarnate]I've experienced it on older forums, but “play to have fun, win or lose” is just as valid and for RPG as a community I personally think its better for the sub-forum going forward.[/quote]

Then don't tell me about it

[url=https://www.roleplayerguild.com/forums/6-arena-roleplay/topics/new]Show me with all of your wisdom and make it happen[/url] cause I've yet to see it.

[quote=@Inkarnate]
I would, but unfortunately, at this time I have too many roleplay commitments to run something on a more active basis (like Tex wants for instance). I have time to set aside for discussion and dialogue but not running something large that takes a lot of time and focus. Maybe in the future. We'll see.
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Always an excuse with these idealist, I swear. 

The main problem is this: You got a bunch of people who aren't active in the arena and have [b]NO INTENTION OF EVER PLAYING[/B] but they cook up these excuses as to why they don't come here. When you press them to do something about it: they don't. They want to cry. They want someone to do it for them and I'll tell you why:

They want someone who can [b]make it happen[/b] do it for them. They sell you on a lie that their ideas can bring activity here, but as [url=https://www.roleplayerguild.com/topics/163437-new-beginnings-round-1-vallen-and-sutemasu/ic]2[/url] yes [url=https://www.roleplayerguild.com/topics/168915-way-of-the-warrior/ic]2 tournaments[/url] have proven no it doesn't. The people who wanna be here [B]WILL BE HERE[/B] and are already here. The reasons they don't show is because they don't want to and nothing you will do will change it, because once you change it you lose your primary player-base and you'll never get the return on this imaginary "guarantees" from these others to support you. 

You really want the arena to be active? This is how you do it: reach out to players who [b]do fight[/b] and can fight. You go to arena regulars, names who you know are about that arena play, and new players who do want to fight. You don't reach out to people who aren't about that action. It isn't like a bunch of them were here when I showed up: it was as dead as it is now. I got here with regulars who were looking for something to do and worked with them: for better or for worst. I've never seen Tex, Inkarnate, or Silver Carrot but I have seen Leeroy, Doc, Melon, Pollen, Xavier, members of the YGG, Rilla, Dynamo, and Tasuke. I reached out to people who I know will do a thing and hopefully finish one. You don't reach out to the wrong crowd because they are going to make demands and want things you can't fulfill that'd end up alienating those who could or has supported you: those who actually post here and brought frequency, these other guys aren't going to do that. They think "Playing to win" is inherently bad. Do you really want people like that dictating the spirit of an arena? They don't even know how competition works or competitive players think. We have fun a different way and some of us can do both.

I mean, shit if they mean it they can make threads about it right now. They don't need permission from guild to build that interest: according to them that interest is there. Sure.. then do it. I never asked Rilla or anyone to do my thing so why should you? Focus on how you play and not on the rest of us.

Go. [url=https://www.roleplayerguild.com/forums/6-arena-roleplay/topics/new]Make it happen[/url]. Show us how it's done and this fun you have and bring activity here. Make it yourself and be proud of your work.

Edit* No disrespect to Rilla for trying his tournaments. At least he tried it and they failed for whatever reason so I am not knocking the dude.