[quote=@SleepingSilence]
 That comment really didn't deserve the split analysis. It was also replying (partially sarcastically) to a defense of what boils down to "Don't knock it, till you try it."[/quote]

You mean how you're knocking movies you haven't tried?

[quote]1. See above statement. But if you think it's hard to pull out reasons that Oscars aren't taken seriously by many more people than me. It won't feel like it to me. But it's hard to really nail an opinion down...[/quote]

And the Oscars are taken seriously by many more people than the vocal minority who see two movies a year and ask why the movie with the purple space man isn't up for best picture. Regardless of their presentation, the Oscars are damn near the most prestigious award for the film industry, particularly the American one.

[quote]2. If you read it all first, before responding to it, you would have seen the very next sentence of "No, not really."[/quote]

I did read it. It doesn't discount what I said.

[quote]3. I respectfully disagree. I'm admittedly picky with my movies, so you can take what I say with a grain of salt. But I don't need to see every bad movie or movies that I know weren't made for me to watch, to know not to bother with them. Again it's not even like I just watch a trailer and make my mind up, I almost read other material and see the general reviews and what they talk about. Most times I do see a movie anyway, it rarely turns out favorably.[/quote]

You disagree that it's possible for someone to see a movie that is critically panned, see it anyway, and come away liking it? Have you heard about this movie called Venom? No one is saying you need to see 'every bad movie' but if you want to have an actual take or opinion on a movie such as, say, Get Out, it helps to [i]have actually seen the movie[/i]. It's like going "Man, Citizen Kane is a bad movie." And when someone asks what you didn't like about it the response is "Oh, I didn't see it, but the hundreds of people saying it's the greatest movie ever are wrong." 

It's fine to not see movies or to not be interested in them, but it really doesn't do credibility any favors if your biases towards something are so strong that you form an opinion without actually seeing a movie in the first place. 

[quote]Well I'd agree with the statement "The fact that different people come away with different interpretations of the ideas and themes presented should be counted as a strength." But literally every review nails the same points down.[/quote]

It's almost like movies can have [i]more than one central core and theme[/i] and that just because there is commentary on systemic racism doesn't mean that's all the movie has to offer. You'd know this if you saw the movie instead of just assuming it's all about racism and nothing else.

[quote]And it's not just imdb reviews, hence why I begged not to make me find more. Websites, Rotten Tomatoes, take your pick. The racial messages/stereotype commentary wasn't missed by a soul.[/quote]

I can point out a number of people who missed the overall point when they start asking questions like "Why black people and not other races".

 [quote]I'm sure those who like comedy in horror, enjoyed all the Key& Peele style humor. Maybe if they make a comedy, I'd be more inclined.[/quote]

There isn't any Key and Peele style humor in Get Out. And they [url=https://i.imgur.com/3Cpwygp.jpg]did make a comedy.[/url]

[quote]4. Again, you wouldn't have said something that makes you look like you didn't read what I wrote. If you read it all at once. Because this question is already been answered. "Even if I agreed with the point of it, and assuming what I've read about it, I would."[/quote]

I did read it all at once. You said that after the thing I quoted and I literally quoted that section later anyway. The way you phrase things comes off as very wishywashy and the language of "Even if I agreed..." has the connotation of you [i]not[/i] agreeing. 

[quote]5. See previous point. If you're going to criticize the site, and not just reviews as a whole. Find me one site that doesn't mention the racial message anywhere in the review. (and if you can manage that, I'll see how "well written" it is.)[/quote]

You're asking me to find a review that doesn't exist because racial issues are core to the movie and to make a review without mentioning it would be like reviewing A Star Is Born without mentioning the musical numbers. But that doesn't mean that the movie is all message and no substance or subtext or that there's [i]more going on than just 'racism bad'[/i].

[quote]6. [i]I read other material. I watch reviews. I have friends who watch movies too and have similar tastes. I'm watching you and somebody else lecture me how you can't believe I don't like the subtle movie that you both know is about 'benevolent racism' when everything said about it thus far proves my point further.[/i][/quote]

No, you're watching two people call you out for being incorrect about a movie while trying to act like you know everything it has to offer because you read reviews and talk to people. I talk to people too. I know people that didn't like Get Out for reasons not even relating to the racial bits but at least they've seen the fucking thing. You came into this stating that the movie is hamfisted and then you haven't even seen it. You're counting on second and third hand information and coming to a conclusion that because race is a core theme that the movie must just hammer the point home. It doesn't. 

[quote]7. Not always, but it isn't comparable. But then again, it comes down to taste. Comedy and Horror are opposing tones. I'm not saying it can never work. But that's why I take more things into consideration.[/quote]

Comedy and Tragedy are opposing tones. Horror and comedy are damn near peanut butter and chocolate. Even [i]classics of the genre have comedy[/i]. Evil Dead 2, Re-Animator, Dead Alive, Return of the Living Dead, Tremors, Gremlins, Scream, Arachnophobia. It's why movies like Cabin in the Woods exist. It's why horror-comedy is a genre. 

[quote]8. See previous statements that have already repeated, "I don't actually just use IMDB, to decide what movies to not blow 12 bucks a pop on in theaters." But your own words give it away...[/quote]

Then maybe don't try to make the bafflingly stupid point that "If IMDB users who rate the movie highly can see that the movie is about race, then the movie must be hamfisted and not subtle ergo I'm right in my assumption." 


[quote]Getting off into the weeds, Systemic racism can't be portrayed or actually be 'subtle' because its an entire system. The idea the thing that controls everything and everyone is somehow a subtle idea is preposterous. I digress. I'm willing to assume Key & Peele made their message/satire as slick as they possibly could.[/quote]

Do you know what satire is. Do you look at an Onion headline and go "Pssh, that's ridiculous, no one would believe that!"? A movie about systemic racism can be portrayed in a subtle manner. Get Out isn't fucking Crash where white characters hold their purses a little closer anytime a black person walks by and it isn't fucking Volcano where a dumb kid looks at black and white people covered in ash and looks in the camera and says "WE'RE ALL JUST PEOPLE!" At no point in Get Out does the theme detract from the movie, and the fact that some people walk away from it just going "It's about racism and racism is bad, I'm woke!" didn't actually 'get' it because the point was more subtle than that. 

A character going "I would've voted for Obama a third time" is far, far, far more subtle than you give it credit for, and that's just a glaring and obvious example. 

Also stop saying Key and Peele, it was just Jordan Peele, not both of them.

[quote]I'm not the kind of guy to complain/boycott about the content (or perceived content) of a movie. You should be free to make whatever kind of movie you want. You using Oscars to defend movies that you like. Isn't really that much different from using review aggregate scores to make my decision on watching it. If you seriously watch literally all movies, play all games and listen to every album on the planet without looking at any outside content to influence your purchasing power/time spent. Godspeed. I simply won't be able to help myself.
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I wasn't using the Oscars as a defense, I was using the Oscars as an objective source to back up the claim of quality writing. But if you hate the Oscars here are some other sources Get Out was nominated or won for in the category of screenplay: 

-Australian Academy of Cinema and Television Arts Awards
-African-American Film Critics Association
-Alliance of Women Film Journalists
-Austin Film Critics Association
-Black Reel Awards
-British Academy Film Awards
-Chicago Film Critics Association
-Critics' Choice Movie Awards
-Detroit Film Critics Society
-Dorian Awards
-Dublin Film Critics' Circle
-Empire Awards


And that's not even all of them. The Oscars are just the most prestigious of the lot, but if so many different outlets and sources of professional critics can agree that the movie is written well then...maybe, just maybe, there's something to this whole idea of Get Out being subtle in its themes. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks...

I do look at reviews from sources I trust and I make an informed decision on if I want to see a movie or buy a game or something. What I don't do is make a claim that a movie I haven't seen is hamfisted because I read a review saying so.