[s][i]You totally did it again on purpose didn't you?[/i][/s]

1. ...Yes? The purpose of my entire assortment of paragraphs is debunking that idea, because it's a pure fallacy of logic. Like it's [i]literally[/i] a fallacy argument.

2. You can think that. I don't.

3. 'Discounts' is the wrong word. 'Pointless' is more accurate. You sincerely responding to my (admitted in the very next line to be a) sarcastic comment. Won't get anyone anywhere...

4. *Now you're getting me to do a double take, because I swore I already mentioned my negative opinion of Venom on here, but now I realize it might have just been the discord* Yes, I've heard of Venom...and I didn't really like the movie. XD  

And no, it's really not. Reviews on why the movie was liked, are just as important as ones that didn't. I mean even this entire conversation, the only thing you've mentioned about the movie is the racial point. Certainly not hard selling me to give it a chance. Not that you need to. But you essentially said, "It's okay to be disinterested or dislike media, but you have to watch everything presented to you before you can approved said disinterest."

And I know for a fact, nobody does that with consistency. So I don't even believe, that you sincerely believe that. Because if you did believe that audiences and critics could both be wrong all the time and its a wild west where you may never know. You would never have used the Oscars to validate certain movies, because that also relies on outside opinion.

5. Literally every single movie has themes. As many as audience members would love to interpret. The last time I was lambasted by multiple people that I never saw the movie so I could never understand the sheer depths of its astounding quality was that shitty Ghost In The Shell movie. And I was proven right and wasted a considerable amount of time on something I knew was going to blow chunks. I'm pretty sure how I've said I've been proven wrong on movies before, but in those cases it wasn't so concretely backed up with outside opinion and was more of a vague hunch. And I try to be at least a little better than that now. But I will not see every movie, especially in theaters, if I don't think I'm going to enjoy it. You don't have that much time in your life.

6. I'm watching a "My opinion is better than your opinion." shine on through without much self-awareness. I'd be wrong in your eyes if I saw the movie or not. So let's be clear that doesn't matter to the conversation at hand. See previous answers. If all you want is a semantics argument over my word choice, and completely skip over the whole "I don't want "a message" in my horror movie..." Then we've reached a foregone conclusion. (Also, your own explanation of the movie is the same as every other person I've seen explain the movie.)

7. I'm not saying they don't happen all the time. But it's not my brand of horror movie, usually. Cabin In The Woods worked because really it was a comedy/satire of the genre before being anything else. I'm not knocking a horror movie for "not being scary." Since again, most of what's being discussed is subjective anyway. The best way to shill for a movie (or anything that) you like, for people that don't want to/haven't seen it for various reasons. Is not attacking them, or trying to attribute some motivation.

Your best defense and chance of trying to get someone to watch a movie that has reservations is not going "This movie has so much more nuance than you think, and you're probably one of the racists they strictly cover throughout the entire movie." Just spitballing there. 

8. [s]Yes, it is stupid to use outsider resources to justify your own point of view.[/s] It was merely a single example. I didn't intend to post several thesis papers on the movie when that was never my point in the first place...

(Yes, only those dumb IMDB comments and the hundreds who liked/agreed with the comment think the movie is heavily about race. That's why out of the several things I've mentioned about the movie and the other person mentioned about the movie was solely about race. When that was never apart of your original point and we ourselves brought it up first.)

Look, I don't even disagree with look beyond critical or audience reactions. If you want to watch something, because it looks good to you. Do it, you don't have to let others influence you. But if you don't want to, I think it's equally valid to save yourself the trouble. But again, you both started this argument that I didn't even intend to make.

9. We really are just arguing semantics with that last one aren't we? (Nothing else said wasn't something I didn't touch upon already in some shape or form.)

10. Basically don't use pedestrian reviews and opinions to make up your mind. Use Hollywood. Appeal to authority. But they also can be wrong, see Venom. Got it.

I'm sorry, but that's bull. Everyone makes surface judgement about every aspect of life, let alone the unimportant stuff, if you even have your own taste and critical perception. You've both hammered on the race satire, but please note that I didn't mention that anywhere in my original comment. And note I even suggested that I disregarded their individual quality. I never said something is bad, when I didn't watch it. If I'm not allowed to have impressions of trends in horror movies. Then forgive me for having no pedestal to stand on.

This conversation has done wonders showing me that there's more than meets the eye.