[quote=@Fabricant451] Only thing being done on purpose here is you making it all the more annoying to have a discussion with your silly ordered list. [/quote] >Weighing the possibilities and the pro's and con's of this single sentence. 1. The statement is really lacking any forethought. And despite every other point being made previous in a single (non split up/divided) format. Somehow it's the replier's fault for wanting to respond in a cleaner and more concise manner. By foregoing including the entire reply, split up into unnecessary/uneven chunks that makes the list possible in the first place as a counter balance to the clusterfrick. 2. The "I'm rubber, your glue/no u infinity" defense is being used. Typical, for some discernible reason. Aside from it's just much easier to copy/paste than be creative or concise. 3. You genuinely think and want my reply to include me taking all your reply and inserting it into my commentary unnecessarily. Despite the fact there's multiple point we both are repeating ourselves, and you are just outright missing context that you wouldn't if you didn't reply that way. >Regardless, it's responding to a joke again. So clearly not much on the to-do list. Do you bother even reading (let alone responding) to the rest? [s][color=f7976a]1. Do literally anything else. (That requires you having something to do that you'll be interested in sticking with while you feel like achy and moody from lack of sleep)[/color][/s] [color=39b54a]2. Don't lie to yourself. You have nothing better to do.[/color] >I also graciously await a TL:DR statement, or you repeating this in some way, shape or form. [s][i]This is what you do to me.[/i][/s] But fine. You want me to do what you're doing...I'm sure this will be *so* much clearer. [hr] [quote=@Fabricant451] What's the fallacy here? [/quote] See your own phrase highlighted in purple. [quote=@Fabricant451] You're over here making claims about movies you haven't seen [/quote] It's called having first impressions and basic pattern recognition. One in which has yet to actually be challenged. [quote=@Fabricant451] and then acting like you're making sound reasoning and logic because you've read a couple reviews. [/quote] Untrue. [quote=@Fabricant451] [color=662d91]"Don't knock it until you try it" [/color] [/quote] Man, I see what you mean this splitting up business is much cleaner than replying all at once. [quote=@Fabricant451] is the exact opposite of what you're doing. [/quote] Because I don't want to commit that fallacy. [quote=@Fabricant451] You're literally knocking it without trying it because you think [/quote] I probably wouldn't even have written this sentence, if I didn't split off this thought. [quote=@Fabricant451] trying it will just further play into your own biases. [/quote] Frankly, having this conversation is playing into my own biases... [hr] Yeah. No, even I'm tired of replicating that. So back to just a single overall response. To refrain from repeating myself ad-infinitum. Okay, so out of everything said. Here's maybe a few things I can respond to. (and hopefully end.) This entire conversation has been a blatant contradiction. You've stated that in terms of audience and critic opinion, that nobody can really be wrong. Basically the idea and general two sides of subjectivity and objectivity. On one side that there is objective truth and that people can very much be wrong. And the other, that everyone has their own subjective truth and that saying somebody is wrong (is also wrong objectively.) [s]Gee, wonder which side makes more sense.[/s] But in this case, you've just argued both. Because everyone else can have their opinion. You just tacitly admitted to never watching Venom but you've made a statement on the movie and used it as a general example to simply have a discussion. (and I can only guess you've had the sense -not- to watch all Micheal Bay movies.) But you understand the general pattern of his movies enough to make a critical judgement of those movies. And both of those things, are fair and obvious to me. [i]But nothing I've done is different to what you are currently doing. I'm simply already aware of this.[/i] I stated I generally prefer my horror movies to be without messages, listed ones off the top of my head, and said regardless of their quality, I'd would prefer to not have them crammed into a story. I simply gave an opinion. To be fair, Dynamo's first comment brought up the racial point. So that's what started it, and our conversation happens to have spawned from that. But then again, your first response is "If you think the story felt preachy/like a lecture to you" then *insert attributed motive here* (Whether playful or serious, it doesn't really matter here.) So if you find my original statement off the cuff. Fine, it is. But you had just made your own loaded statement in response. When you later clarify and contradict that friends you have did dislike the movie without having this problem. To summarize. My original comment was not what it was twisted into. In your own convenient terms, I'm not "wrong" for having these first impressions. And after the repeated (and equally snarky) explanations about the racial message and nothing else, it doesn't help the movie's case that the movie wasn't designed to have those kind of conversations about it. And because I don't want this conversation to spiral down, I'm merely being playful in the beginning. And don't actually intend to antagonize. I get the intention. I know the idea of someone having an surface opinion can make people defensive, but it wasn't my intention. My claim is no less provable, and far less personal than either of your reactionary responses. I'm certainly well aware that my preconceived stubbornness can lead me to missing out, and I already make attempts to be better in spite of how often is goes the way I expect. But I do you hope (and I'd like to think I'm not alone that looking at your statements) would only highlight and emphasized how the message overwhelms the noteworthiness rest of film. Because nothing else was even described, and was used as a "weapon" to attach a label on someone with simple reservations. [s]And I see the slight irony of discussing doing things in a concise manner and taking forever to get to the point, even if it was partially on purpose. I'm sorry. I'm moody and bored and it makes me sounds overly serious.[/s]