[i]I did say sorry for snarking back, to your own snark.[/i] [quote=@Fabricant451] Okay. Prove that Get Out is hamfisted and preachy. I'll wait. It wasn't that you made a surface opinion, it's that you didn't even bring a shovel. [/quote] No. Because I never professed that as a fact, or told you that you were wrong or had ulterior motivations. You prove that I can't think that it comes off that way... [quote=@Fabricant451] The difference, and the crux of this entire stupid thing, is you making a ridiculous comment and trying to justify it instead of running it back and admitting that maybe you misspoke. [/quote] It's not maybe, I've pointed out my word choice could have been clearer. But was said off the cuff, without precision because my original comment was never about what the topic was spun into. But it's also a semantic argument. (And the statements you're going after, weren't even responding/addressed to you, but to the other statements made. Which is where most of this stems from.) The idea that you'd have no problems, if I watched it, I know isn't true. Because you assumed I had watched it when I made the response that I'd rather not feel preached to/or lectured by a movie. Didn't even really say that the movie did this, just I presumed that by the uppity reactions and immediate labeling/turn to that. Where you suggested that if I felt that the movies social commentary (and really by default that's walking on thin ice) would come off as preaching or as a lecture, then I'd have to be exactly who they were talking about. Which you went into how systematic racism is real and that the white people who commit benevolent racism are even worse of a problem and they need to be made aware of this. Etc etc, does your own explanation of the plot/moral not sound even a smidgen preachy/lecturey to you? Because even if I agree, that certainly sounds that way to me... It's a case of confusing who was responding to what. But the idea I can't find a message unsubtle, when you do, is not an objective statement. If all you want is clarification, here, "I can't know if It Follows and The Babadook and any other horror movie with some focused on its message/symbolism aren't secret masterpieces of the modern era if I haven't seen them. But the Babadook is a dumb name, on par with the "The Bye Bye Man"." If you won't step back, and give some ground in the same way I am. (And admit, to yourself you don't actually need to say anything, you made your own inaccurate claim, making a presumption without evidence to back it up.) There quite literally won't be any middle ground. Not that we need that, since you've already said you're correct. So I guess there's nowhere else to go...