[quote=@SleepingSilence] [i]I did say sorry for snarking back, to your own snark.[/i] No. Because I never professed that as a fact, or told you that you were wrong or had ulterior motivations. [b]You prove that I can't think that it comes off that way...[/b][/quote] Because you haven't seen it so how the fuck are you qualified to make any statement about the success of its intent. You have no idea if it comes off that way or not because you haven't seen it. If you had and still thought that maybe then you'd have a leg to stand on there. [quote]The idea that you'd have no problems, if I watched it, I know isn't true. Because you assumed I had watched it when I made the response that I'd rather not feel preached to/or lectured by a movie. [b]Didn't even really say that the movie did this,[/b] just I presumed that by the uppity reactions and immediate labeling/turn to that. Where you suggested that if I felt that the movies social commentary (and really by default that's walking on thin ice) would come off as preaching or as a lecture, then I'd have to be exactly who they were talking about.[/quote] Let me put your words exactly as you said them. [quote=YOU]I've been meaning to watch The Quiet Place, since I've seen more good things about that. (and it also doesn't sound like the twist is trying to be clever and "give a message" like, The Babadook, Get Out [...] Whether you like it or not, I don't want to feel (even in the sense) that I'm getting preached/lectured to in my horror movie.[/quote] You are literally implying that Get Out is a movie that preaches to you. The first statement informs the second, especially since we specifically talked about Get Out inbetween the two statements. I'm not putting things in your mouth here, this is you claiming that Get Out is hamfisted and preachy when the opposite is true. [quote]Which you went into how systematic racism is real and that the white people who commit benevolent racism are even worse of a problem and they need to be made aware of this. Etc etc, does your own explanation of the plot/moral not sound even a smidgen preachy/lecturey to you? Because even if I agree, that certainly sounds that way to me...[/quote] That wasn't an explanation of the plot/moral, that was me using one of the themes of the movie as a question. The movie doesn't preach or lecture. You're assuming that because the movie revolves around those concepts that it can't handle them in a way that isn't preachy. Sorry you think movies that have real world themes and social commentary can't also be well written I guess. [quote]It's a case of confusing who was responding to what. But the idea I can't find a message unsubtle, when you do, is not an objective statement. If all you want is clarification, here, "I can't know if It Follows and The Babadook and any other horror movie with some focused on its message/symbolism aren't secret masterpieces of the modern era if I haven't seen them. But the Babadook is a dumb name, on par with the "The Bye Bye Man"."[/quote] You can certainly find a message unsubtle. If, indeed, you have experienced said message. You haven't but you're acting like you have. Your attempts to dodge the point and drag the other movies you mentioned and haven't seen through the dirt in an effort to save face are cute I guess, but if you made the statement "It Follows hamfisted its message about sex and preached to me" without having seen the movie we'd still be having this conversation. This isn't about whether or not Get Out is a masterpiece. You're trying to reshape the narrative. [quote]If you won't step back, and give some ground in the same way I am. (And admit, to yourself you don't actually need to say anything, you made your own inaccurate claim, making a presumption without evidence to back it up.) There quite literally won't be any middle ground.[/quote] What claim would that be? I don't know why it's so hard for you to just say you were wrong about this.