[quote=@Denny]It's hard when you're an average height guy like myself trying to save a dude who is a bit taller and bulkier than you. [/quote] Ugh. Yeah. I remember having to train for that. Your 'victims' were supposed to thrash about and try to take you under with them because that was exactly what someone in panic mode would do. OT: I have an unhealthy obsession with cheezits.