[quote=@Cyclone] Since one appeal is that everyone can design their own Sphere to be the source of its own 'magic' and have its own effect, I think [i]forcing[/i] sweeping things like this to be the case would be detrimental even if they help unify the Upper/Lower Spheres thematically. [/quote] Ok, so you can make a sphere without regards to whether it's celestial or chthonic? In the last post, you mentioned wanting a strong thematic difference, so I kinda assumed picking Celestial or Chthonic was not trivial. [quote=@Cyclone] I'm interpreting this as you saying that examples are warranted, yes? I intend to add quite a bit to the Doc today and could give 5 or 6 such examples. [/quote] Definitely, I think an example model will do wonders. [quote=@Cyclone] See, what you say about trees is due to one very poor example that I gave. The example in question was a forest god's Sphere perhaps being the upper canopy of some jungles, but back a page or two age when we chose to go with option B we more or less killed the idea of ta forest god having a Sphere like that. It's just too accessible, too tangible, too real. As the Spheres are partially metaphysical and magical places, that's why I think BBeast gave really good examples with the sky god's Sphere being the upper sky but great storms making it hard for just anything to fly up, and the dirt god having a Sphere that's underground but can only be reached by digging a long, long ways beneath some sacred hills. To clarify, in keeping with the theme of Spheres being very magical places that are hard for mortals to access, I don't want someone to just claim "deserts on Galbar's surface" or "the rivers on Galbar" as their Sphere. Something more along the lines of the desert god having the sun (or perhaps some fiery subterranean realm) as his Sphere and then connecting it into the depths of deserts through some sort of portal is more of what we're going for. Instead of just claiming rivers as his Sphere, a river god could do something like claim the subterranean depths where all springs draw their water from. Do you think that I addressed your confusions/objections adequately, Capy? [/quote] I think the main source of confusion on my part is the difference between the proposal and the linked Celestial Spheres. In aristotelian, it kinda goes like this [The sky (sphere of air] [Galbar] [The earth (sphere of earth)] From what I understood of the proposal, it is not a layered cake deal, it is more like (Sphere of air) ↓ ↓ [Galbar - including the sky, which is the influence of the sphere of air, and the earth, which is the influence of the sphere of earth] ↑ ↑ (Sphere of earth) Which I would say is a more Dungeons and Dragons Planes thing? But then wouldn't that not be physical but instead purely magical?