[quote=@Leotamer] [@Double Capybara] Because this will become a simple "good guys" vs "bad guys" conflict. It is "Do you want the universe to operate normally" or "Do you want to mess with it for selfish reasons" It feels like it will be a captain planet conflict, "Do you want to dump toxic waste in the ocean, or do you not want to do that." [/quote] Hmm, I am putting trust that Cyclone wouldn't leave it in such a one-sided situation, but upon reading your posts and a few things said, I guess I will ask what is his plan overall. In all honesty, considering my plans for Urhu and her personality, she will be out against Kath big time. I assumed this was an option, though in discord there was this entry, "It oculd lead to a Thanos situation where more souls are needed, so some gods see the solution as being to eradicate a significant fraction of life so as to free up souls ...or it could lead to trying to ask the Architect for more souls OR it could lead to trying to free the souls trapped in the undead Sphere see how many possibilities there are?" Which really covers only pro-Kathy options. I feel like this might be a bit much, one of the things that got Sartravius accepted was going with "source of all flames" instead of "source of all heat", which I take establishes some limits of just how influential a sphere can be, and if truly everyone needs to dance along with Kath or risk the death of everything, eh, that is a bit more serious than the latter case.