[quote=Magic Magnum] I realize there are still issues for women here like maternity leave. I wasn't trying to say there wasn't, but those things have been listed and argued for millions of times now.But the issues facing men are largely ignored or brushed off, so I felt specific need to bring those up when the topic was about if we're feminist or not and why.As for feminism = Gender equality.This leads me to one big question right off the bat. If this is true why is it called inism?[/quote] Not saying you were. Nor do I disagree that there are issues that face men that are ignored or brushed off. Feminism is called feminism because it is gender equality for women. For women to become equal with men. It has not been achieved yet. I feel we spend to much time deciding to be feminist, men's rights activist, egalitarian, humanist, etc. Why can't I be all of them? I would not hold myself to a single label or thought. I feel these activist organizations intersect when they are genuinely for what they hope to accomplish. [quote=Magic Magnum]Other than that, I'd argue simply looking at feminist today that seems to be pretty split down the middle.You've got plenty of those who do want gender equality, and plenty who don't.Hell I've been called "The reason feminism still needs to exist" simply for saying that I was a humanist.[/quote] Eh, I stay away from this. These things are hard to quantify, so this just ends up being opinions that can't really be argued with evidentiary support. Again, that is your experience with one or a few other people. There are a ton of people. I like to avoid generalizing things by using my personal experiences. [quote=Magic Magnum]Globally yes, but individually you've got the 3rd world countries where it's still a big issue. Then 1st world countries where for many of them it's not an issue.You can't just say "Globally women are treated like less" and then address every country like that's an issue.That's like saying "Globally people are starving" and then solving that by starting food drives and charities for Americans.You need to look at area's in a case by case basis. [/quote] It's a bigger issue in 3rd world, no doubt. But there's still improvement needed for 1st world as well. And I was not saying that, I was pointing out that globally, discrimination is a big issue in 3rd world countries so feminism is still necessary. But I also pointed out that we are specifically talking about 1st world, and 1st world countries still are not all the way there. I was not trying to imply that other countries are the same case as the USA. [quote=Magic Magnum]Also like I said above, I agree there are issues women still face. I never argued this, but there are also male issues.And at least with women issues the majority of people are agreeing they're treated unfairly and working to fix it.[/quote] I don't know if there is a majority of people agreeing. This is hard to quantify. [quote=Magic Magnum]Men and their issues? Not so much... Many people just think of it as silly, or that somehow fighting for men's rights is sexist against women.You're half-right in saying fighting against women gender roles will help men. It would help by extension some men issues. [/quote] Didn't say that men's issues weren't being ignored or under evaluated. [quote=Magic Magnum]But Ultimately all it does is make women accepted into everything, and men simply more commonly filling in the blank. Rather than say both men and women being accepted into everything.[/quote] It's not genuine feminist job to focus on everyone's problems. I have said before there is something to be said about solving problems one at a time. Distractions cause progress to slow down. True feminists are not trying to take away from men's rights. They're simply trying to elevate women to the same level. Once that happens, more progress can happen for both men and women. Meanwhile, there can be other movements to work forward and fight for men's rights as well. I find fighting about what movement is the right movement to be a complete waste of time.