[quote=@The World] "It's unfalsifiable, which is a fallacy (which I suppose also wouldn't matter if logic is stripped of its power?)." Now you're getting it~ We're dealing with other universes, it's ALL unfalsifiable. Logic is just how our brains are wired to manage shit, and our brains are [i]fucked.[/i] Just look at how our eyes work, our brains are bullshit. For example, there's no way anyone is going to go to a universe exactly like ours except where gravity works in reverse, but that doesn't mean it can't exist in Existence. [/quote] If you remove the foundation of logic, all claims become meaningless. I can claim that whatever you propose is false for the sake of it and there isn't anything that can falsify that. Logic is the only way to reach a conclusion, and you can't reach the conclusion that an illogical world can exist without the use of a logic-bound reasoning system, which forbids the former's existence. There is no order without logic. Every idea becomes an isolated entity floating in the sea of nothingness, a place where I can just as easily destroy the notion of any other universe with the simple declaration that they don't exist, easily as you can create them. [quote=@ZAVAZggg] Makes sense. Although there could still be beings other than us who transcend or don't conform to logic itself and therefore do not need it to exist or function. Of course that's all just speculation. Still fun to think about though. [/quote] It is fun to think about. I think that when discussing logic, the conversational idea of what is "logical" (what makes sense to us given the facts we know) gets conflated with the definitional view of what is "logical" (what we can derive given a set of premises and axioms).