[quote=@Athol]
[@ShiningSector] My first thought when I read your post was '2008 isn't that old'...I guess that's what happens when you're driving somthing made in the '70s
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Pretty much. Although I'd admit, the back of the car was, more or less caved in. The bumper was totaled; don't know how it remained attached to the vehicle. And there was internal frame damage in the rear hatch compartment. If you wanted to know, it was a PT Cruiser.