[@Reflection] Avenger is an extra class, and based off evil corruption in the grail thus would not be allowed. It would significantly change the plot. I'm looking for servants that can hold their own while not being overtly broken. For example Fergus, Diarmuid, Cu, Ushiwakumaru, Beowulf, and others would be fine. They're increasingly strong while not inherently being able to instantly murder people like most Hassans, or tank indefinitely against top tier servants like Siegfried. Saber is in a grey zone. She's top tier as a servant not because she's strong on her own but because her kit is increasingly standard but ridiculous in execution. She dodged Kojiro, a servant who fought Heracles, in his own preferred territory, and also predicted his phantasm's ability which would've killed her. Plot armor saved her but her luck is so high she feasibly has a chance to actually survive an unnerfed Cu Chulainn's phantasm which instantly hits, and more than likely instantly kills the enemy. Arthur has the same kit except he's strong against beasts too. Achilles isn't acceptable. He's literally Siegfried levels of tank. You can't kill him without a high level phantasm. I'm aiming for a grail war using less powerful servants I'd figure you'd know this by now seeing as you've been in most of the former iterations of this rp. [@ManyThings] Sigurd is also a bit too ridiculously buff he has dragon core, and mage runes. If we're looking at Sabers Mordred's level is roughly equivalent to what is acceptable. She has incredibly tank skills, and abilities but they're not at the level of her father while still being heavily destructive.