[quote=@vancexentan]
I'm not trying to make you fear them. Be she views them as paltry mages, or not is her view point. Even simple magics can be trained to be something worth reckoning. In many pieces of media you can see characters who through generations, or years of training take the bare basics to refine something into something special. I'll give you one bit of information out of character that Orson doesn't have. The Grey's magics can influence not just the brain, but the body as well. They can cause insanity, paranoia, permanent loss of memory, and cause the body to react irrationally. A person can try to move their leg and suddenly their tongue muscles are the ones moving. They're not poor mages. Just because they don't fart dragon fire doesn't mean they don't have tactics that suit them. They also have other tricks but I'm not spilling the whole enemy's bag of tricks open before we even gotten out of the office. Orson's actions are in character for a prideful man. And they aren't malicious on my end because I had Anderson publicly get up and gently reprimand both parties then had Orson apologize personally afterward.

I will say that I am becoming very agitated at this point if it wasn't clear enough. You haven't stated a single positive thing about me, or the roleplay in general and from my point of view been acting very antagonistically. I already apologized for my own actions be them intentional, or not towards others in this but so far I've seen nothing but critical comments about my choice in villains, the plot, the servants, and myself. From my point of view all of your comments are making me out to either be incompetent, or downright malicious while you're doing nothing wrong. If someone has a comment about the roleplay I'm willing to listen but just on the basis of this so far apparently you want me to restructure the roleplay's primary antagonists  just because you think the characters suck talent wise, or because your character believes them so. This is a roleplay not every single thing needs to be adherent to canon. 

However I will warn you I will remove you from the rp if you keep trying to nitpick everything I'm doing. The purpose of my actions are to attempt to either balance, or make a fun roleplay. Not everything needs to make sense within the lore of canon if it works for the aesthetic of a roleplay. If you want me to give the Grey Family more offensive magic so be it. I figured I've already made the apparent danger of enemy caster, and later in the long term Saber clear, and as you've already said yourself the main proponents of combat in the roleplay will be the servants. Save for two of the enemy masters who actually are combatant fighters I don't intend the Grey family to present in direct combat. Their spells can be negated with time, and their actions are all dependent on how we act. Charging headfirst in isn't the best way to fight them. Attrition, and twiddling down their numbers, and space to breath is how best to fight them.
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You truly didn't get what I mean, did you?

I'll explain myself once more just to make it clear. But first, let say that I wouldn't just to "troll" someone else's RP. What would someone even gain from that?

I'm not asking you to change anything you have in mind. That would be presumptuous of me. I'm not even asking you to adhere to canon, since blindly following it isn't a very smart thing to do.

What I said so far is that you are fundamentally mistaken about many of the core concepts of the Nasuverse in general despite linking posts to the wiki so often. Not that all the information there is credible by any means either way.

As a proof of such. What you described are effects of some pretty run-of-the-mill curses. Gandr itself can do most of that "unconventional magic" you've described. A mage that focuses on "spitting dragon fire" for is usually no good either so don't think that I'm asking, or suggesting that.

Not only that, but magic like that is supposed to be easy to counter for other mages. Interfering blatantly with other mages' bodies and minds is very hard to do because the magic energy from within them counters that of the outside.

Think of that like how you push the water off a pool out of the way when you get into it, but the water also pushes back also. Or how a spring deforms under a force but also pushes back against the thing pushing it.

Either way, I'm not asking you to change anything if that's what you are thinking. I suppose that this much is clear at the very least, right? If I was being antagonistic, I wouldn't bother to talk about these things, in the first place.