[@Doc Doctor] I have done it my self and seen happen more than once in reals. If it left open it's just very rarely left open. The move doesn't stop the heart and definitely it's more like a shock to the system. Cause your heart skip a few beats in a very violent fashion stopping it for a second few seconds and your nervous system to get a hell of a shock. Is very similar to the Muay knee knockout to the chest. Which is why also put in the post if he missed he would still hit him in the ribs cracking the ribs. Which was in the original post. The likelihood that my hit would land before you able to reach my hand is highly likely and even if the land at the same time I still have time to counter. My thumb can only be broken if I choose to stay holding on. You are assuming a lot of my characters actions in that post. There are multiple easy answers to you grabbing my thumb as countermeasures and attacks. Which is why you noticed in my style of play I say [b]I aim[/b] or [b]tries to do[/b] or another way of saying the same thing. I never claimed that I connect. I cannot tell you what damage your character takes. I can suggest what damage would be likely from my attack and what I am aiming for does if it connects and where it is intended. But I cannot write in my post that you take the damage. That an auto-hit. Because I don't know if you have a counter for that or what your Dodge will be. Your a tricky bastard and so am I. I know I'm new to this particular server but I'm deftly not new to the style of fighting.