[@BloodyRed] Yeah, a similar rule may be found on this very Arena forum, in a link on the FAQs. Autohitting isn't an issue around here luckily. I like deductive logic. If you can detail a reasonable depiction of a potential counter, and if you feel like it's a good one, go for it. I'm just wondering how the punch would occur reliably with the sequence of events as they're posted in relation to how you say they proceed now. Red would have to deal with the thumb grab before he slid his body parallel and launched the punch. Can Red counter the thumb grab and still move into position for a proper punch? That's what I wanna find out IC, nothing's ruined at all. I apologize if I come off as rude or anything. I just kinda gotta flesh it out, perfectionist style, so everything is as clear as a Rocky Mountain river. Some things need to be clarified OOC and it's a bitch sometimes, oh yeah, but it's all a part of the process. The important thing is that we can communicate what occurs in the fight concisely and with supportive reasoning if we need to clarify details. Some people don't like me because I get tedious with that schtick. By the way, how about any mma videos where a fighter gets dropped by a punch in the left armpit? The spleen doesn't count.