So this point I feelt is were not on the same page at all or close. I don't get how you see the events. In my mind, your left arm is fully extended straight no bend, when I grabbed it. My half-step makes my body evenly parallel with your left arm. (if I describe that wrong I apologize) When I put pressure on that arm it shifts your elbow and your shoulder in an improvised arm lock/elbow lock. (which you seem to agree by your response). So my left hand has a minimum of 12- 14 inches for to your ribs from my understanding. It is 100% completely unguarded.  Twisting your wrist then breaking my thumb does not guard your ribs in any way so they would still be 100% unguarded. So I can't miss them. Unless you do something drastic. Which I did not see you do in your post.

Like we look like this  L_. (you)
                             (my left) ^  I am the arrow, The dot you hand kind of but more like the outside of my torso. My body is not as skinny as the arrow but if that makes sense. The long part of the L would be your torso. The short part of the L  and the _ would be your left arm.

If that helps any my understanding of the position that we are in.

Which is why I'm completely confused about how I cannot hit your armpit or your ribs at all because nothing is guarding or stopping me in any form or fashion in my mind that I can see. Regardless if you grab my thumb or not[b][quote]Red was gripping Kull's forearm and seeking an armlock. Kull's eyes briefly widened in surprise and Red took his half-step, casting out his hard-trained technique with confidence.[/quote][/b] from what I'm reading with what you did happens after I take the half a step which is at the exact moment that my punch starts. You are countering my first attack while my second attack is happening. I feel my punch would land against your ribs as you were turning your wrist or within milliseconds of.

When you try to turn your wrist I would also have the chance to not allow you to turn your wrist.when you turn your wrist in your arm is fully extended your arm doesn't completely flip over without rotation of your elbow which is impossible in that particular scenario. You have to pull me into you for you could twist your elbow because you're in an elbow lock to mean can't turn it or come inward either without great effort. So you have to reach over your arm and my hand to grab my thumb. The difficulty of that goes up a lot. That is the hardest finger to grab in this scenario. Now my pinky, on the other hand, would be the most effective. I have no guard against that particular finger at all or just punch the shit out of my hand. The only way to twist your wrist enough my thumb is on the outside facing you would be you have to pull your arm in towards you and up. Your arm should be to be about relatively even with my nipples when you start. Because when I pulled it into me would pull it down to my chest.


Are we seeing the events completely different or are we over arguing over semantics is I'm confused at this point. Absolute confused.