Shiro narrowed his eyes. "ever to have been, in this universe. You speak of the old gods as if they were the only great power." he disappeared and then reappeared beside Kalin "Son of the horsemen. Blood brother to a World Eater Prince. Grandson of Azerthoth. You speak of the dawn of time to one who beheld it. You really have no idea." he said raising one hand and flexing his fingers a small spark of energy appeared, flickering from side to side. "if you don't beilive my words....Let me show you. show you all." and the ember exploded, consuming the world in fire, all went black and then the four of them were standing above a massive, ongoing explosion. "This is the fight between Nyx, Hypnos, Thanatos, Athus, Erebus and Eros. This fight never started, and never will end, it is what birthed time itself." He gestured to a particuarly large ripple of energy erupting from the fight and coalescing into one solid entity "My creation. From what I've discovered I hold Nyx, Thanatos and Eros as my 'creators.' I was formed a few moments after the horsemen, and so am classed as Their son. however before I met them..." He grinned and pointed to a rapidly approaching shadow. "The Whisperer in the Darkness. The Shadow Out of Time. The Elder God. people call them the 'Other Gods.' They are who raised me." he smiled and held up another glowing ember. "not convinced?" he narrowed his eyes and the ember exploded again and they stood afore a galaxy in ruins, suns exploding in sequence, stellar fire eating up all matter. "This is the first time I unveiled my true power. I burnt a Galaxy. and in the process befriended a creature called Azure Flame. in your language at least." he clenched the fist that had produced the sparks and they returned to reality. "If your dragonic foe is so strong as to defeat one who can fight gods. then maybe I have at last found a challenge. You have been fooled though, he wishes you to think that he is so strong so that you have no hope." Shiro grinned and rubbed one arm. "and demoralise all around you. so in short, make you work for him, and thus, you have fallen for another of his tricks."