That's fair. I'm sorry for coming off petulant or unruly, too. I've been loyal to all the lore available to me, but again, look at the information that was available to a Dark Elf writer during my first drafting: * Dark Elves can alternatively come from caves or from "far to the north in Barukstaed" (the latter is never described outside of being very dark and very snowy.) * They're rare in Velt. * They're good at sneaking about and killing things. I see now that I was supposed to look at this incredibly sparse information and think "I'd better ask for more" rather than think "Oh boy, the GM is letting us get wild with our apps." (But you also see that of what little I was given, I kept all of it intact. Again, I'm not trying to overrule the GM.) A lot of conflict and confusion may be avoided in the future if that information is actually written down for us, or we're at least given a "there's a lot of lore we haven't written down so please ask to see it" disclaimer. As it stands it's an odd choice, IMO, to make players write apps first, [i]then[/i] show them the lore they're breaking, imply they're morons for failing to follow this lore, and demand rewrites. I know I could've written a good app the first time if all of this knowledge had been available to to me [i]ahead[/i] of my drafting the character. In the spirit of asking questions, I suppose my next one is just how long ago dark elves started living in Barukstaed and/or the underdark? The exact time frame of...whatever it was that split them off from the other elf subraces.