[quote=@Lady Absinthia] Right now dealing with a toss up of which is worse - my daughter being old enough to drink (legally) on her next birthday, or my oldest son getting his learners permit this summer. (Neither are making me feel like a spring chicken lol) [/quote] You need to let go, mom. Whatever lessons you taught them from birth to like age 12 is them! That is who they are. The next set of lessons will come one of two ways. They will listen to someone they respect (Maybe you, but not necessarily) and do what that person tells them or they will learn the hard way. I know I learned a lot of those lessons the hard way and fortunately I wasn't permanently damaged because of those lessons. Except for the broken heart/lost love lessons those just suck....and damage you.