[quote=@Fabricant451] And none of this is in the movies because it is relegated to books, comics, and even fucking Battlefront 2 (did you know Battlefront 2 is so canon that it literally explains the start of The Last Jedi?) and that is the real tragedy of the sequels, that so much of it is relegated to outside material. If the sequels weren't set so close to the end of the OT and TFA didn't [i]have[/i] to play it so safe that it might as well have just been hitting the reset button in The Matrix then maybe they could've done more to establish the stakes beyond "Oh it's the same [i]but not really[/i]." Ultimately the true success of the sequels is the characters. As long as you pretend Episode 9 didn't happen anyway. [/quote] You know I actually did know about Battlefront 2, but I never bought the game because I was very angry about the predatory practices being used in its gambling features. I was also angry that they tried to use the game as a way to explain the Sequel Movies, you should never have to buy a game to understand something about a freaken movie. Forcing such a tie in was one of the worst things that they ever did as such a blatant attempt to sell additional copies because you 'needed' to know that information. Games should always be a fun addition but never a [i]need[/i] if they are related to a movie franchise. I just refused to watch Episode 9 in theaters, maybe I'll give it a watch from a red box out of morbid curiosity but after the disaster of changing directors between movies, I knew there was no way the Sequels would be able to recover. TFA was just a sad rehash with some potential, TLJ just went in an entirely opposite direction and instead of having the gumption to go full steam with it, retracted itself as much as possible with episode 9. The appropriate name for the Sequel Saga would probably be The Director Civil War Saga! Cause by the 2nd movie, that was pretty much what it had become. They tried to subvert expectations, got a ton of backlash, and just wimped out and tried to reverse course which probably just made things even worse than it had to be. So, Director Wars it is.