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Not necessarily. Most of the time it's humans who cast people into the Abyss. As for the Pretender, I read it as implication that it was heroes/humans who did the actual casting instead of gods. Was that actually the case, [@Heyitsjiwon]? 
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Huh. Well I can see that happening for a great deal of creatures, but generally for angels and such to be fallen, it's usually because they rebelled or were cast out of their former heavenly or celestial abode and cut off from the one that made them, which is why I'm finding it somewhat difficult to write lore for Azrael as I kind of want to follow that formula but also want to avoid stepping on anyone's toes.

EDIT: I suppose I could go with a Council of Angels thing, but then the issue of lore becomes even more pressing because there is no common base as to what angels are, can be, or how they might be structured hierarchy wise.