[quote=@ZAVAZggg] Huh. Well I can see that happening for a great deal of creatures, but generally for angels and such to be fallen, it's usually because they rebelled or were cast out of their former heavenly or celestial abode and cut off from the one that made them, which is why I'm finding it somewhat difficult to write lore for Azrael as I kind of want to follow that formula but also want to avoid stepping on anyone's toes. EDIT: I suppose I could go with a Council of Angels thing, but then the issue of lore becomes even more pressing because there is no common base as to what angels are, can be, or how they might be structured hierarchy wise. [/quote] Listen dude I'm gonna be real with ya here, you're thinking on this way too hard. There's no precedent being set here, no background lore you gotta follow strictly, you have full creative control in how you ended up in the Abyss. You can be thrown in the Abyss by anyone, anything, any society, literally whatever. You don't gotta make things so complicated, just say God threw you down to earth for angel crimes, then humans threw you into the Abyss for war crimes or something.