[quote=mdk] Pretty unanimously selfish. I know, you're going to get a lot of 'It depends on the situation' replies... fact is, someone who cares about you has to find your dead body and mop your death-poop off the floor, and yes, they'll remember you from now on -- but that's how. As a poop-covered body with a bloated face. They have to live with that from now on, all because you wanted to climb up on the cross. [/quote] I understand. People say it's the "Coward's way out", there's nothing cowardly about going against every human instinct to survive. I wouldn't call it courage, and certainly not bravery, but it's something somewhat admirable. That's what makes it a tricky subject to comment upon.