[@Melkor]I know perfectly well how a feudal system works. I was just saying how you worded it, could have been why Iceheart saw it as another kingdom. Just saying he serves lady raffery or what ever who was the lady in charge of the kingdoms land bordering the borklin empire. would have probably cleared it up a bit. 

And I cant go back to it now cause it's gone, but I swore you said she renounced any claim she had to to the title of the land. while she could do that, then her brother would be the one in charge. 

and yes normally eldest son is usually the way it went, if you were making your own kingdom you could do eldest child. but that wasn't the point i was trying to make. because rose claim the role, a 100 years ago, his decedents are the legitimate airs to the fiefdom. so the riviarly between kingsly and roses doesnt make sense...to me. and i get its a snippet. I'm just bringing it up. 

in my opinion. Clearly its up to Iceheart.