Ohey I just remembered another two things I can be confrontational about [quote=@PPQ Purple] I personally have tried more than 10 (I lost count) of the various free MMOs out there and I can't even remember their names. I remember Silkroad Online because it was my first game of the genre but that's about it. I don't even remember what the last one was. [/quote] Ah, yes, you bounced between 10+ games... you remember only a single name of... and yet you're going to claim a lot of them do something right, despite you having no memorable experiences in them. Do you know why Guild Wars 2, FFXIV, WoW, Runescape and so forth continue to find enduring success? Because they keep finding new ways to keep the individual player engaged. To keep them coming back, so the collective as a whole doesn't collapse. The very fact you're playing none of the games you have done so in the past shows that they [i]failed[/i] to keep your retention. You not being there anymore, by definition, also means you can't socialize in them anymore. You are not finding anything worth going back for. What kind of café doesn't hold its customers? Why would you think those MMOs did their job well when you can't even [i]remember[/i] them? [quote=@PPQ Purple] At that point there literally is no more point talking to you as you will continue to demand your odd and unusual perspective is the correct one. [/quote] Also this lovely gem. Yes, I'm the one with the unpopular perspective, just because I'm the first to call you out on this incomprehensibly backwards logic you are utilizing. Despite the fact several others in this thread, while not sharing my exact viewpoint, have all pointed out in their own way that the MMOs they play are, in fact, fun as a single-player experience too. Despite that, [i]you[/i] would claim you are the authority, the one who isn't playing MMOs? The one who can't stick with one? Despite the fact there are this many people in here telling you that you are wrong for expecting games to conform to one single-minded, narrow idea based on flawed past experience you laud over others as if it were the gospel of God himself? PPQ, I hesitated to say Sleeping was playing games wrong, but you are [i]definitely[/i] playing videogames wrong if you think your stances are the popular ones. I don't diss others for finding their own value in games as long as they find that value, but you seem to think there are objectively good and bad ways to handle game design, yet you continually fail to recognize what the core appeal of games is to so many people. Everyone confronting you can name actual examples of games that do what you claim they're doing wrong, right. You can name a single MMO and a few dozen other unnamed ones, and the one named one you only remember because it's your first. Not because you had anything to do in it. Meanwhile, we're supposed to believe that this makes you know what you're talking about better than we do. Please, firstly get with the times, and then come back when you know what you are talking about.