[@Cu Chulainn] Sorry, friend. The Toreador aren't in the habit of manufacturing hounds. If they need soldiers, they can create a ghoul. Much more useful, because they can still walk around in the day time. If they need assassins, they hire a Nosferatu. Their own ranks are reserved for those who make themselves useful in the social scene. Also; I don't buy the 'blade work as art' angle. Violence, especially against humans, is very clearly designated in this system as something that tears down and erodes your humanity. The Toreador love of art connects them more strongly to their humanity. To me, that reads the two as being mutually opposed, within the rules. Having studied combat tactics and traditional martial arts, I can also attest that serious fighters do not think of themselves as 'artists.' Performers, maybe, but to think of the violence inherent to being a trained killer as 'beautiful' is the sign of a deranged mind, not an artistic one. Good instructors are trained to look for that kind of thing, when they're training new soldiers. It's an easy way to identify a sociopath. No; You'd be much more likely to find a soldier or a fencer who considers what they do 'performance art' among the ranks of the Brujah. The notion that a Brujah can be calm and precise when needed is a much easier sell, to me, then trying to justify violence as art. I would have made a connection to a Toreador who sired this kind of kindred with an anarch, but you pointed it out yourself; that train of thought would be more in keeping with the sabat. Yea, no, sorry; It would be far easier to see a Brujah siring this character then a Toreador.