[quote=@ClocktowerEchos] Not fired =/= well maintained. You still need oiling and replacement parts and regular cleaning which I admit you could probably manage in a peaceful bunker. You don't need an army of 500 people to go raid and attack other people. "War" on this scale is more akin to raiding and large skirmishes. If you have these super well kept modern revolvers, you don't need to field them en masse since they'd be accurate enough to hit things from a long way away unlike the pipe muskets most people would likely end up making at first. Although I do have an interesting question regarding population growth [@AdorableSaucer], how would we get large population growths? Do we just assume there's a population of teenagers just waiting to become adults the next turn? Or will their be opportunities to vassalize/incorporate NPC factions into our own or like, accepting migrants. [/quote] Well, the only reason parts break is because of use, or rough handling one way or another. A piece of steel doesn't really decide to break itself in half. Sure, given enough time, it's eventually going to decay to the point that it's unusable, but when I say guns that have almost never been fired, I mean they've been fired never, or a handful of times. I'm not even saying they work flawlessly, when I had the MJN around I specified that the guns were pieces of junk which were only kept running by jury-rigged repairs. Same thing here. Sure, it's small scale for now, but in the future it might not be, it depends on what the GM wants. But the point stands that in this environment, guns might not be super useful. Again, biggest advantage is being to deploy more troops for less, and if you only have the population to field the same number of guys as your enemy, a musket might not help. Things will develop, remember population growth is exponential, in addition to absorbing NPC factions or whatever As mentioned, the guns they have A) are few in number, less than 20 B) are not well-maintained (they used to be, which is the only reason why they're able to be used). Also, if all you can make is black powder, the barrel of a gun made to use smokeless (especially if it's ancient) might explode. Also, what you do need super advanced math for is to make the machines that make bullet casings to acceptable quality, which is a long ways off if feasible at all. So with such limited stocks of ammunition and zero reloading machines, that's a big issue. Still waiting for the GM's word on the gunpowder situation