I mean, yeah, I said I agree with the sentiment.

I just [i]also[/i] said that optics matter a lot if you actually want your arguments to be heard.

That being said I'm not going to continue derailing the topic by going after individuals instead of the actual topic at hand. I haven't really gotten any new insights since my last long post in this thread, so until people actually come in [i]here[/i] to argue the topic, I won't have anything new to contribute.

Well, except for maybe one thing, though it's not exactly a "new thing".

I find it slightly worrying that people are just kind of... [i]expecting[/i] us to go read the discord, as if the discord is the website. Discord is a third-party app that not everybody has and not everybody wants to engage with, even if a sizeable chunk of this website uses it. It absolutely does not reflect the community at large, especially not when it has its own moderators. Therefor it is a distinct enough entity to where changes to it should not affect the forum, even if changes to the forum should affect it.

Discord is an [i]extension[/i], not the website itself. I disagree with fundamentally changing the rules of the guild for something that happens off-site, if I may be so bold.

And if you're wanting to discuss why the changes should be made on-site as well, I'd really like more people to follow in Yankee and Franken's example and actually bring the argument into this thread rather than blanket expecting everybody to go read the discord.

I can only speak for myself, but if there is even just one other person like me, then they would just [i]not care[/i] about what happens on discord. It only partially reflects the site. I'd like incidents [i]on[/i] the website dictating moderator policy, not incidents [i]off[/i] it.