[quote=@ZAVAZggg] Also sadism counts as an experience. I mean it is a thing you do and receive feedback from after all, so... [i] ex·pe·ri·ence /ˌikˈspirēəns/ Learn to pronounce noun practical contact with and observation of facts or events. "he had already learned his lesson by painful experience" encounter or undergo (an event or occurrence). "the company is experiencing difficulties"[/i] [/quote] It's not a new experience, though. Most Withers have tortured and killed before, except for the very young.