[quote=@Fabricant451] That twitter person is right. [/quote] The statement is vague and misses the point [b]at best[/b]. But we'll agree to disagree. No game needs to be pay to win. To make money, or to get people to buy things in it. [quote=@Fabricant451] 1. Lost Ark isn't pay to win. 2. There are dozens of worse examples of bad monetization practices than Lost Ark. [/quote] Seems a bit contradicting in those statements. In what they're implying. But most bad monetization practices [b]aren't[/b] so zealously defended. Like I'm seeing online. [i]Not from you specifically mind.[/i] [quote=@Fabricant451] You can't have sex with characters in those games, but you can in Lost Ark. [/quote] [i][b]It all suddenly adds up.[/b][/i] [i]But yeah, I have a feeling I wouldn't have a better time here than Torchlight.[/i] Though, it's nice that you had fun, I guess. I mean even the people I've seen defending the game, casually talk about how it'll die down in hype and go away in a month. [i][b]And for a f*cking MMO.[/b][/i] That's NOT AT ALL a good thing. [i]This isn't a flavor of the month indie title. A good MMO, [b]will not[/b] [color=ed1c24]die in a month[/color].[/i] [hider=Tell me that doesn't look like a mobile game RPG screen] [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLViAHBWUAkS7Zp?format=jpg&name=360x360[/img] [i]I've looked up and seen one of the "cinematic dungeons" and they look nice enough.[/i] [/hider]