[quote=@SleepingSilence]
I'm glad you just know that. :) ([i]Hope that numbers over a hundred.[/i])

But I very much doubt it. Nor do I think I'm gaining much from continuing this.[/quote]

Said the one continuing this. 


[quote]Yes. You are indeed, making my point for me. (And you don't have to include, "the stuff in red is different than my several paragraphs of writing". I know that.)

Because I understand how you're allowed and supposed to critique things you play and enjoy. So "you not giving attention to things you don't like". And "but many people like this thing with shitty practices" are two moot points to what's true and being argued.

1. [b]Those games you like, can be made better.[/b] 

2. [b]Those devs can treat their customers better, and only will, if there's backlash to what fans don't like.[/b][/quote] 

You're not making an argument about either of these points. You started this whole thing off jerking off how correct you were about Lost Ark and have consistently backpedaled into turning it into "Aha, so you see, the devs should do better!" with a side order of weirdo slander about the pro-diversity crowd. Pokemon has been releasing DLC since gen 1, except they still charged full price and called it a different color. Does that make it right? Who can say, but them putting out DLC expansions instead of charging 60 dollars twice for each one is hardly indicative of anything other than GameFreak finally reaching three console generations ago. 

Game developers of certain games know full fucking well that gamers are a loud bunch who claim to talk with their wallet but then open their wallets day one anyway. Because people are super susceptible to marketing and promotion and FOMO. That's why Fortnite continues to have flavor of the month skins for popular things. That's why even with all the shit that happened with Blizzard, people are still playing Blizzard games. 

I'm not fucking saying "people like this thing with bad practices so that makes the practice okay" I'm just not delusional enough to think that whinging on a forum is going to do anything about it. Do I have a problem with Lost Ark's monetization? Personally, no, and I don't believe the game is maliciously designed to get you to use it the way other free to play games are. Does that make it okay that it has it? That depends on if you think any monetization is bad. I personally don't - especially in a game where it doesn't cost the player any money to get the entire game. It's only when it becomes predatory that it becomes an issue but the only thing predatory about Lost Ark are the people who jerk off over their virtual waifu dolls. 


[quote]But when you ignore what you dislike, and can't admit valid critique of things that you do like. I guess, do you. But it's not helping anyone.[/quote]

Show me where I can't admit valid critique of something I like. Because for the fifth or so fucking time: [b][h1]I DO NOT FUCKING LIKE LOST ARK[/h1][/b]

Ask [i]anyone[/i] who has spoken to me at any length outside of here, and there are a few, and they'll tell you how critical I am of things I love. Movies, games, shows, music, anything. I almost lost a good friend because I was super critical of the new Spider-Man movie and then again when I had sweeping criticisms of some anime they like. I love criticism, positive and negative, because I love talking in depth about things. Analyzing them. Diving deep. It's literally what I got my goddamn degree in. 

If I don't play, watch, read, listen, whatever to something [i]I don't critique it[/i]. I can comment on [i]why[/i] I haven't interacted with it but as soon as I offer some sort of critique of the product then it holds little water. "What did you think of that game?" "Oh, it sucked." "Really? What didn't you like about it." "Well I didn't play it but -" 

Being critical of a game's monetization is fine. Saying the game is bad [i]because[/i] of the monetization is an opinion. You're perfectly able to make a personal value judgment if you disagree with something a developer or publisher does but once you start trying to critique the gameplay or the story or parts of the actual game and you haven't played it? Then you're no better than the neckbeardy shitstains who got mad when Cyberpunk didn't get 10/10s before they played it. 

Don't be like them. They have bad social skills and smell bad.


[quote]But that's precisely why this conversation can't go anywhere. Since you're own ultimate "gotcha" is "I have to experience the censorship firsthand in-game to know and hate that it exists on a wider scale." (The joke there is you literally can't. It's censored/removed for fuck sake.)[/quote]

This conversation can't go anywhere because you staunchly refuse to ever concede a point while also constantly misrepresenting it and changing the scope. You also just conveniently gloss over numerous points and refutations. I've clarified my stance. You won't because the goalposts need moving.

[quote](Because I played that shit-awful pokemon game. And I still "wasn't allowed" by your standards, to point out what my roommate hated about Pokemon.) So I doubt, you'd really put much more effort into discussing flaws about any game that you happen to enjoy.[/quote]

If you [i]played[/i] the Pokemon game then you're well within your rights to call it shit-awful. If and when all you had to go by was your room mate's opinion then you're still allowed to have an opinion but it's one that wouldn't be taken seriously because it's not your opinion. If I watch a streamer play a game did I play the game myself? No. No I didn't. If I read a summary of a movie did I watch the movie? No, I didn't. Can I critique something if all I did was listen to second hand information of it? Yes, but it wouldn't be taken seriously nor should it. 

You can use second hand opinions of those who have interacted with something to make a judgment call. That's the entire point. But if I read a review of a movie an decide not to see said movie I can't then go and say "Oh that movie sucks" and expect to be taken seriously if I then follow up with "I didn't see it." 

This is not a difficult concept to grasp but somehow you can't grasp it. 

And if you think I don't put effort into discussing flaws of things I enjoy then you should really ask [@Bee] or [@Hey Im Jordan] or various others just how much effort I put into pointing out and discussing flaws.

Because they fuckin hate it when I do it. Most times. 

[quote]But fine. You don't have to. But don't tell me, "no one is making that argument" when its [b]all[/b] I'm seeing [b]all over[/b] my social media. And you've even agreed to those very points I find erroneous/egregious.[/quote]

Funny, all I see on my social media are people making fun of the female walk cycle and how the servers were fucked and how they're enjoying it. Guess anecdotes are motherfuckers aren't they. 


[quote]1. The rich youtuber (and Amazon) will live. [/quote]

Motherfucker you did it in this topic. That's what I was referring to. I don't give a fuck about Youtubers. 

[quote]3. Me sharing bad first impressions about media, are not, and will never be a "personal character attack" like calling someone an ass is.[/quote]

You called my friend a robot and a shill. One personal attack to another, from an opiniated bitch. 

[quote]4. And if you mean making dumb robot puns. I just thought it was funny. Because bot messages/reviews are usually both short, don't capitalize, nor punctuate sentences. So pardon me.
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And I thought it was funny calling you an ass. I'll apologize when you do bb <3