[quote=@SleepingSilence]
[i]I did write a rant about Warframe sucking at "making its game hard". And how my interest in Elden Ring has grown substantially. But this is shorter. 

Also, I was going to laugh at the Horizon Zero Devs (and a guy who helped create the worst Battlefield) whining about the latter's success. And how its now frequently topping the steam charts and beating Lost Ark in its 24 hour player count. (A game that just had to ban/remove millions of accounts for being bots.) So it's only made me root for its success harder.[/i]



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I'm not looking to start shit or anything but I just want to say that the discourse on Elden Ring is insufferable from all sides but especially from the Fromsoft fans who have an us vs them mentality and the Sony people who are mad that their good ass game only got an 89 and not a 92 or whatever. Both those games are good! Both offer wildly different experiences! One is not better than the other because of lack of icons or whatever! Elden Ring does have some bad and unfun design and UI choices and that will always be the thing for those games because that's their choice and you either are on board or you aren't! Horizon isn't a game that will make someone a fan of that kind of open world even if it is the best of its contemporaries by a wide margin! Neither game is perfect, both are good! 

Video games can still be good but the bird app kills nuanced discussions! 

Elden Ring was never going to fail but also it isn't the one that will make non fans into fans because I know like four people who followed the main path and got hard checked by Margit who decided to fuck off because it wasn't fun and they didn't get it. 

And thats fine. The games aren't as niche as they like to think but they are still for a specific audience but that specific audience will absolutely make sure you know how much they love those games.