[quote=Magic Magnum] Now in terms of words like Gay and Fag I have seen two totally different opinions and cultures on this, both from LGBT communities.The first one was from the LGBT club at my High School.They outright shunned the words Gay from being used as an insult, and the use of the word Fag period.To the point they even had a protest (Which I admit to being apart of at the time) where they cut their shirt each time the word was used in such a sense.In a way to stand up for LGBT people who were bullied for it.The other culture was the Pride Club at College.Completely different opinion/approach to it.[/quote] I don't like the term fag, and I don't use it. I actually do agree that gay has taken all sorts of different meanings that it probably isn't as much of a factor. After thinking more on it, I probably agree more with Jorick of late. It's about usage. The only reason I'm on the fence is because language psychology is something I take into account. And I just don't know enough about it to have a clear stance. [quote=Magic Magnum] I've really heard them use the term Gay outside of the "Man attracted to a man" meaning. But words like Fag weren't shunned. During my first few weeks with them as a straight ally I strongly tried avoiding the use of the word cause of what the High School club taught me. The other's in the College club would have to use the word and fill in the blanks when I would pause lost as for another word to use. Basically telling me that they were fine with the words being used, they weren't sensitive people who were going to be offended by it or anything. [/quote] To be clear, I am not asking to shun words. I'd only like to make people understand the different things attached to a word, and how they might have effects that were not intended. I'm for free speech. Say what you want. Although there is a difference between bullying and free speech. Anyways, I do understand all these perspectives. I'm normally just careful with my words depending on the company I'm in. [quote=Magic Magnum]Honestly though, the people in the High School were still High Schoolers. Growing, learning, and were full of people who only started talking to me cause I was in the club, and slowly stopped when other things in my life took over at the time. While the college club was largely grown ups and people who I knew and had gotten along with for a while before first joining the club even. So maybe I'm a bit bias in how I read this, but in my mind even the LGBT community is showing to be more practical with the use of such words, not taking them as homophobic remarks or anything but rather just words.[/quote] Again, as to what Jorick was saying, I can understand this. It is more to look at it from a usage standpoint, and the certain tone of voice in which words are used. Tone of voice and intention, but most of the time those things go hand in hand. [quote=Magic Magnum]As for nigger?That... has taken an interesting and hypocritical turn.People in the black community use it with each other all the time no problem, but the second anyone else does it's racist.That's just messed up logic in my opinion, and I tend to avoid people who think or act with such a lack of logic anyways. [/quote] Not necessarily nigger. There is a difference between using the word nigger and nigga. That's a culture thing. The word nigga is clearly used in a form of camaraderie, and anyone would know that if they've hung out with a group of black people. The reason it's taken as racist is because, well, in black circles in inner cities there just are not a lot of white people. And when a white person says it, there is a different connotation. It's built in because a history of racism. And some white people have said it and not been called racist, probably not a majority, but there are cases. Regardless, there's a lot of work we need to do in the racial relations department of the world. [quote=Magic Magnum]Basically what Jorick said on the issue.When someone says they're offended on a topic, what they're basically saying is "I don't agree with it, and I don't want to hear things that disagree with me".Or they have a problem where they take everything they hear personally rather than what they actually mean.Either way, what needs to be done here is for those people to learn to be tolerant of different viewpoints, and to not let what people say insult them so easily.They're the one's creating the problems by getting negative about, society and his rational expansion shouldn't be hindered or held back cause of it.[/quote] Not always. It's okay to be offended. It's like going somewhere and saying something racist to a black man, he says he's offended, and you say that he shouldn't be offended and he's just being sensitive. Granted, I know that's not what you're trying to say. But, that's how it comes off. And, this is really where I'm coming from on a language confusion and language psychology stand point. People will take things personally because there are too many meanings attached to words, and when that happens, there will be people who have had so many negative experiences with specific words those words will be internalized within that person and they will lash out defensively. Rightfully so, I might add. It's not that they're being oversensitive. Again, I understand and mostly agree with the wide range of meanings and the differences in usage. We should be tolerant of different viewpoints, but that doesn't mean different viewpoints are immune from scathing criticism. [quote=Magic Magnum]1) I agree in that Modeling is a career choice for a woman. Not all Models may be doing it to harm woman. But as a half-intelligent and aware human being, when you're a model you should be well aware of if the Jobs you take are or are not harming the image of your gender in any way. Even if your reasons for being a model are innocent, if you choose to continue in a certain model shoot that you know will have backlashes against women fighting for equality, then you're being a vulture.But I do also agree, the root of this problem isn't the problems but what the Media pushes on the models. The Models simply agree or disagree to model for it. If we're to deal with this issue we need to attack and change the media's idea of beauty, not the models themselves.[/quote] No models are doing it to harm women. At least, I doubt it. I really disagree that a model should be aware of what job does what. But, this is really just a minor disagreement here. The focus should be the odd standards of beauty. [quote=Magic Magnum]2) I think Media's just blind to the potential market they have here honestly.I mean, I've seen girls with pictures of boys posted all over their locker, room and staring at boys online far more often than I've seen guys posting girls up on their wall and starting at girls online.There is definitely a demand for more male models to appeal to woman if they tapped into the Market. [/quote] Eh. Guys all over the place have posters of half-naked women in their rooms. Not that girls don't have posters of guys or pictures of guys. There could be a demand for more male models, sure. But, women consume women products at great rates. They buy those fashion and beauty magazines. It kind of caters to both sexes in an interesting way.