[quote=@Fabricant451]
It is harder to kill someone on horseback that is running away from you than it is to kill someone who is coming towards you in a car. For one thing you're not having to deal with the entire "riding on a horse" thing. 
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If anything, the way that he maneuvered in the car, would only make it harder for him to consistently hit his target. But I guess we both probably haven’t shot targets on horseback, or in a car going 60 MPH. 

So maybe all my personal problems come down to how much slow action is in the first half. When I don’t have those same choreography complaints in the second half. Even though I’m sure there’s imperfections somewhere, if you care to overanalyze it. But the pace is much better and they don’t focus on each kill for quite as long.
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[quote=@Fabricant451]
Those scenes of characters talking absolutely does much for the plot. 
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Okay. So technically, you’re correct. So what I mean is, and I’d wager all my grossly inflated currency, that the dialogue in the other movies was much snappier and entertaining to watch. 

Whereas every talking scene in this movie is pure and dry exposition. (At least that’s what it felt like to me.) But unlike the talking scenes in the first three, which are mostly worldbuilding and introducing new concepts to flesh out this “you come for the doggy and the violence” movie. This one has a lot of rehashing things you already know, or repeating things to John Wick that they’ve already said. Etc etc.
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[quote=@Fabricant451]
The most blood in John Wick 2 is in the suicide part and nothing in the 10 minutes I watched was any more or less bloody than these movies typically get. Which also didn't have blood spray when he was killing armored dudes.
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The second movie might have the most “you see blood” moments in them. So maybe it’s an arguable outlier? But I did go back to look at the armored dude scene from the third one and he certainly got some blood splatter out of a few of them. (Using the Shotgun especially.)

I suppose I’m not complaining that “there was no blood” when he was twatting two dozen goons with a stick (won’t spoil). But comparing the intro fight in the third where he was throwing axes directly into people’s fucking heads. The movie felt so much less visceral. How is [b]that[/b] one upmanship? 
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[quote=@Fabricant451]
He didn't fall down the stairs, he was pushed down them. By the bad guys trying to stop him. It wasn't several times either. 
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The way he rolled down those stairs for so long, and continued to roll on the flat surfaces was more than a little ridiculous. And he does tumble-roll down the stairs more than once. But it’s also another instance (the traffic scene being a bigger one) where John Wick’s plot armor was only more easily focused on, because the shots linger for so long and give you time to think how much sense they make.

It seemed unintentionally funny, is all. (When John Wick has always had a sense of humor. But in this one, there might have only been *one* ‘you’re supposed to laugh at this moment’ in the movie. [i]Least as far as I remember.[/i])
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[quote=@Fabricant451]
How is it contradictory? One of his 'allies' straight up says that his bounty isn't high enough for him to consider being his enemy and another of them has his own agenda. He has two main allies that have been around since the first and second movie respectively and he is pretty much on his own for the duration. 
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For how many conversations include how alone he is in this movie. It *is* odd. When he gets more help in this movie, than any of the other three. 

It would be one thing if this was meant to be a “you don’t have to do this alone” moment of character growth or something. But it seems to pretend that he doesn’t have a guardian angel watching over him, as he’s the only guy not hit by random traffic when he’s fighting in the street.

Now, the characters that share the spotlight in the movie are a lot more charismatic and enjoyable to watch. (Compared to one that practically took over the last movie.) And I don’t think heel turns are illogical. [i]The fact that they were antagonists that went along with any of the comically evil/stupid bad guy’s plans is though…[/i]
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[quote=@Fabricant451]
Because they're good homages. 
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I’m referring to when it recreates scenes and moments similar to the other three movies specifically.

Like, even the obligatory pencil scene (This isn’t a spoiler. You expect it by now) seemed like it was a “memberberries” / half-assed inclusion.
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[quote=@Fabricant451]
His introduction had him intimidating the unflappable Winston, and then there's the part with the Tracker. That he is arrogant is a character flaw, which all good characters have. 
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Sure the scene with Winston is a perfectly serviceable “this guy is bad and you hate him” scene. But the part with the Tracker felt like a Saw parody. Or “the evil guy is so evil, because he kills his own minion” moment. And it didn’t feel believable for the characters. It only made me question why anyone would follow/comply with such an obvious twerp.

But sure, arrogance is the downfall of all the villains of John Wick. But it’s the least surprising downfall of any of them. (The guy in the fatsuit is getting all the media flak. But even he manages to be less embarrassing. [i]Least his death was more impactful. [s]Literally[/s][/i])
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Though regardless of how I feel, I'm sure this movie is the best we're going to get for a while.

[b][i]But maybe the D&D and Mario movie are going to be secret not totally cynical cashing in on the brand masterpieces.[/i][/b]