[quote=Kadaeux] No.Suicide is when a rational thinking being decides that their fear of being alive outweighs their fear of dying and goes for the great escape. Euthenasia is when a rational thinking being knows that the quality of life they have left is going to be so terrible and such a burden on their family that they want a peaceful dignified death. Not to become a meat-shell going through the motions or a pure sac of agony.YOUR utterly terrible mindless example is called "Criminal Neglect" or "Manslaughter" [/quote] [2] [quote=Sere] Is it? Is there really a difference between the two, or, is it just a play with words. How long must someone debate about their rational death that it does not become suicide but is a good death? What you call criminal neglect, is there a difference to watch someone die in a nursing home then same a prison? Both are covered by tax dollars. If I was a nurse and have the flu, one is in the nursing home and the other in a prison. If their life was so run down that my flu kills both, is it criminal neglect that they died. NO, because were do you stop. Reader, you could have had the common flu in your life, gave it to someone else and that person gave it to someone else that ended in death. Or, you could have had the flue, gave it to someone and never seen them again only for them to die some time latter. The reason I support suicide at any time, as were going to die some time in our life. I can be a 100 year old woman and be killed by a 8 year old girl with a flu. Oh, you can come up with a rational reason for my death in that way. But, if I say I want to die in say my 20's and in good health, then it is not a rational reason to die. So, the rational reason to be alive is to pay taxes? [/quote] To clarify before I start, I'm one of the people defending suicide as not being a selfish act but rather a potential end result of an illness same as Cancer, heart failure etc. But I do still have to disagree with the logic you are using on the topic of suicide. Suicide = Concious decision to kill yourself because you dislike life Euthenasia = Or (while sane & concious) or a Loved one, chooses to end your life after or right before you reach a vegetable state. Criminal Neglect = Finding someone who is mentally ill and leaving them to die. If anything Criminal neglect is to be related to murder, not suicide cause it's not the person whose life is ending having a say in the matter. But even then it wouldn't count as murder if they are being provided for and cared for, it is simply a sad existence. As for your flu example. The take this one step more to show the logic your using, Sally is a 6 year old girl. She decides she doesn't want to deal with the stresses of growing up and wants to kill herself. Is it not a rational reason to want to die? [quote=HeySeuss] A parent in denial about illness is a special kind of fucked up torture, absolutely. On the other hand, I rate that as child abuse -- so would almost any court in a developed world nation and in the US there is considerable case law establishing it as such. You should seek outside help or even court intervention if you must in order to get treatment. Parents are not allowed to withhold treatment from their children. That is at least one of several reasons a child can seek emancipation (and should.)I can't imagine what it's like to have to stay ill because a parent goes into denial. And I've been ill enough to nearly be dead. [/quote] [2] Not allowing medications can be a serious crime. Personally I'm iffy and unsure about the effectiveness of said medications anyways, but if it is something you and/or your sister want to take for your depression and your parents won't allow it, then it's a valid reason to get court intervention on the matter.