[quote=ishtar]Suicide is a sad thing.[/quote]

I was never disagreeing with that.
I was arguing the point on that the person was stupid for committing suicide.

[quote=Sere]Logic, with a deep topic like this. It would take thousands of words to take care of all lose ends. Still with logic, the sentence can be wrong but it is still logical. Like for example: "If the sun rise from the south then it will set in the north." We know that sentence is wrong, but written in a logical format.[/quote]

I should not even be responding, considering you basically ignored my entire post outside of the fact I used the word logic.
But this has so many assumptions, generalizations and conspiracies in it I feel the need to nip it in the bud.

Next time I'm going to bother replying unless the post actually relates to whatever post it is replying to.
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I used a simple word in the English language. There is no reason to try to act philosophical and make quotes over it.
That just makes no sense, like let's see...

Birthday, "Every year on your birthday, you get a chance to start new". You used the word Birthday in your post, but me picking that out and making a quote over it added nothing to the conversation. Please refrain from doing this in the future if it isn't going to contribute.

[quote=Sere]I do not see the difference between the two. Lets say, we know that person A will die of a natural death on their 100 birthday. Is it just suicide because the person takes their life on their 20 birthday. Or, is in not suicide if they end their life when they are 99 years old? True, we do not know when a natural life comes to an end. With me, you are ending a life early.[/quote]

And is ending a life early not sad to you? The fact that someone could of had a fuller life, but felt so bad about living that they wanted to die?
Also to clarify, any case where someone dies by their own hands or initiative is suicide, regardless of age.

[quote=Sere]You talk about someone that is left to die at a nursing home and see it as a crime. Hate to tell you this, it happens each and every day. The flu is a good example, as thousands of people die because of it. Death because of the flu is a natural death. If you are young, and you do have insurance you can get cured.[/quote]

First off, stuff like this happening? The fact it happens is obvious.
Your acting like because I argue technically it is murder, must mean I don't think it actually happens.
Hate to tell you this, but bad shit happens in this world. Crimes happen in this world, crimes we are aware of but are not always treated as a crime legally.

[quote=Sere]If you are homeless, and you are young the flu should not kill you. True, it can get worse, and in that case they will pick up your body from under the bridge. And society will say, well you should have know better then being homeless. You should have gotten a job when we took away your housing and food stamps. You are dead, that was God's will so never question him.[/quote]

Generalizations much?

A lot of people do not look at homeless people and say "You should have gotten a job". People who do that simply prove their ignorance and lack of knowledge on the topic. Do some people think this way? Yes. But you're labeling society as a whole here. 

Plus, for God's will.
This argument was already argued away with Protagonist. But I'll repeat generally, God existing it or not is not a prove able fact. Many people do not worship God, or at least the same God you do. It is inaccurate to using reasoning's involving God in a non-religious issue such as suicide. 

[quote=Sere]See, someone can take away your Obama Cara, your Food Stamps, and if you die. Well it was not really suicide. We as a society just wanted you dead, so you can say for some people it was assisted suicide just to get votes from people that want their taxes cut. Is that criminal, no. Is that wrong, no.

Strange, society only cares about suicide if they feel they could have gained something from the person. What does society say, he was so young. He had his whole life ahead of him. He was so smart he could have done something with his life. He was a great guy. If a drunk that is homeless ends their life in suicide. They will say, oh some homeless guy jumped from a building and caused great damaged to the property below.[/quote]

First off, most of us are not american.
We are not affected by stuff like Obama Care, we have general health care that applies to all citizens.

Also, society is not a hive mind. We are not consciously going "We want ______ dead. Let's as a society cut them off from help and kill them".
Let's leave government and society conspiracy theories to kill people off separate please? They do not relate to suicide or depression.

I'm sorry that whatever you experience has caused you to look at all of society under such a light. But that is not how society functions, and treating society/the people in it as if they do isn't accurate and only slows down the rate we can deal with issues like depression and suicide because we are burning efforts fighting something that does not exist.