[quote=@ERode] Alright, slapping this down as a possible parentage connection, just to get things outta the way. Zeroth, chime in if you want. Since Sherry is half-sisters with Estelle, and since Estelle is currently born between [s]1st Wife[/s] and Patriarch, that would necessitate her being associated the Patriarch.[/quote] Estelle, Ophelia, and Isana are all confirmed at this point as being born of the 2nd Wife. My suggestion was that Sherry and Vincent and possibly others were born of the 1st wife, though [@Silver Carrot] hasn't confirmed. [quote]In the meanwhile, Rowan and Ferrucio are half-brothers. Ferrucio himself is born from a non-Kaides and a wife in House Kaides, so for half-brother status to be maintained, they'd have to share a mother. Rowan is 2 years older than Ferrucio, so thankfully, there aren't any funny not-twins hijinks going on, but he IS the same age as Sherry, whom Ferrucio was basically let into the House to support/serve, so they'd have to be something wonky. On the plus side, Sherry and Rowan both have similar colored hair, so maybe they can pull off the fraternal twins look.[/quote] Rowan and Sherry could work as fraternal twins, if both players are good with that, but I must've missed when you guys sorted out Ferrucio and Rowan being half-brothers. I thought you were going to have Ferrucio's mother be one of the adult children of Deividas who came back to the family without the father being in the picture? If that's the case, then like you say they'd need to share a mother, but that would make it impossible for Rowan and Sherry to be twins. (When making the suggestions I did in the timeline update, I never assumed twins cause nobody intentionally made their characters strongly resemble each other or anything.) [quote]The Third Wife is of a more willful stock than the 1st and the 2nd, her defiance made more so due to how the Patriarch certainly treats every one of his wives as disappointing breeding stock more than anything else. Despite having gone through a painful labor to give birth to twins (Rowan and Sherry), the man was too busy "rousing the troops" (read: fucking his secretary mistress) to pay attention to his actual wife.[/quote] I'm not good with this part cause it ascribes a lot more villainous traits to the Patriarch than he's intended to have. An NPC profile of him is up in the 0th Post of the CHAR tab, but the short of it is that he's a man from a prestigious bloodline known solely for its military prowess, living in a world where battling monstrous creatures is a common occurrence, at a time where cultural standards are by and large medieval with the handful of anachronisms one could expect for "rule of cool" in these types of stories. EDIT: Apparently that 0th Post being "hidden" is not the same as minimizing it. It should be visible now, that's mah B dawg He would've been under to pressure to marry as soon as possible, to sire multiple heirs, and to expand the family's power and influence in any of a multitude of ways. The 2nd Wife has been established at this point as being a skilled commoner that became a knight and caught the Patriarch's eye---while it's not set in stone, I think the strongest option is that the other 2 wives, especially the 1st, are high-status noblewomen. They could've been from Branch families, to "keep the bloodline strong," or they could've been from other families that would've made good mutual alliances for the Kaides. The Mistress could just as easily be from a noble family herself, the term "mistress" doesn't have to imply that she's a camp follower, prostitute, etc that he just picked up somewhere. The man's seemingly cold, overly stoic, may have a Spartan warrior's aesthetic thing going on, etc, but all this talk of "breeding stock" leans too far in my opinion. He's not meant to be the BBEG of the story, though he'll play a somewhat antagonistic role in some cases. He's also not meant to be the "Big Good," either, but he "is what he is," that being a figure who must uphold numerous titles---loyal knight of the crown, head of a clan, leader of soldiers, father, and so forth. Now, if the PCs who end up confirming their parentage as the 3rd Wife are also cool with it, I'm cool with her being more ambitious and willful or whatever. Maybe HER family forced her into this arranged marriage for the sake of trying to move up in the world, or maybe if there was some romance between her and the Patriarch she feels the flame's gone cold, or any number of reasons. Feeling pressured, and anxious that outsiders blame her and the other wives for the "Failed Generation" is definitely something I could see. So if you wanna change Ferrucio's parentage based on that, it's all good. If she takes part in the war effort and dies against one of the Demon Generals that's cool too. As far as name suggestions, lol, I pretty much gave everything I had for SilverPaw's character. [quote=@SilverPaw] Besides the family tree, I feel like I might soon need a flowchart of who did what to whom lmao. Also, I know our sister trio's mom (who is btw the 2nd wife not the first) is a redhead, but looking at the other kids, either Martenos is one too (or his parents) and/or he has a thing for redheads lol. [/quote] Regarding redheads, for ease of things given how far across the web the genes are spread, we'll say that there are other redheads in the Kaides line [i]and[/i] the Patriarch has a type, lol XD