[quote=Paradigm Shift] Oh are we talking about who us in the bad knee club? Sign me up I'll need surgery in the next few years (more like couple if years at the rate I'm going) Yay for being 25 and having the bone structure of a decrepit 90 year old [/quote] My knee was broken beyond complete repair, and during my time as a stupid teenager, I ensured that I would have problems once I get older...