[quote=Pepperm1nts] That makes sense, and those are good points. I agree with most of it. But.. all cars come with seat-belts. If you bought a car, you have seat-belts. You're not buying the seat-belts separately for a ridiculous price. So the least you can do is consider the dangers to you and others, and put the damn thing on. It's a damn seat-belt. Your rights aren't being stepped on, the world isn't going to end. And when you get pulled over and fined for not wearing one, it's not because the government is tyrannical. It's because there are rules and safety measures that should be followed when possible.But I'll admit, at this point it's kind of silly to be arguing about seat-belts. But I blame Goldmarble for that. [/quote] Well I mean, they come with seatbelts because we passed a law that makes them install seatbelts, which you're paying for (the law, the compliance tests, and the actual seatbelts and tech). Cars **totally** used to come without seatbelts (and without mirrors, too). It's sort of like an automatic transmission -- those used to cost extra, but now if you want manual (which makes you a better, safer, quicker, and more fuel-efficient driver) it costs more. ....I don't know how it's 'sort of like' that, now that I.... you know what it might be MDK's bed time. POINT IS -- nothing's free, especially not things you're buying. But I digress. I absolutely agree that rules must be followed, I just.... I wish more people would acknowledge, then, the implicit significance of making rules. Laws are serious business, even when they're about once-trivial things (like seatbelts, or shoelaces, or whatever). Look up the phrase 'regulatory capture' if you're ever bored and want to be pissed off about concepts that shouldn't exist.