I'm fine with my characters dying, although I'd like to avoid it if possible. If they do die, it had better be epic ... [quote=Weiss Schnee] i dont think it works that waypeople have to die...there is no safe way to open the collar...do that and she dies anyway as cheating will cause the failsafe..same goes for Grimlock..oh and those who refuse to kill are as good as dead..I think.. [/quote] Throwing her against the chest at a speed that would kill her might work then?