[quote=MelonHead] How pointlessly philosophical. [/quote] But so very true. [quote=MelonHead] When one side wants to destroy freedoms and innocents they can usually be labelled evil for convenience. [/quote] If those freedoms get in the way of progress and order, it could be seen as a necessary sacrifice for the betterment of mankind. The bit on innocents seems like a loaded statement, and one that was put in place in a vain effort to prove a point by providing an extreme example rather than a reasonable one.