True I'm hoping to get his background up tonight or tomorrow. I'm usually not busy during the weekends but I've had the chance to send it with the family and just can't pass that up ya know. Well lets see I'm thinking Jaspin was 25 when she turned him. which would be 375 years ago so if my math is right would be 1385-1386 if we do it before the 1800s. So that would give them a good bit of time for things to sour between them. So you want the story after it leads up to where they are now to be before the 1800s is what you're saying right?