[quote=Brovo]-snip-[/quote] There seems to be some clarification needing to be done, from both sides. I wasn't saying Science = History. I'm saying that some countries made some good scientific research/progress in the past. Countries who are not scientific leaders today. But the progress those countries did make in the past, helped establish a framework of knowledge for future scientist to build on. "Chinese history cannot be damning towards the Creation hypothesis. The Chinese don't exactly like to share their mythology/religions and the entirety of their culture with the rest of the world". I might of glanced over the "Mythology/Religion" part of what he said too much. I focused mainly on the culture comment. Basically the way I took his statement was the following... "Chinese history cannot be damning towards the Creation hypothesis" = China can't argue against creationism. "The Chinese don't exactly like to share their mythology/religions and the entirety of their culture with the rest of the world" = Because they not as vocal with their beliefs. This may of been a misunderstanding on what he meant to say though. Also, when I argued China being humble I wasn't referring to how they treat their own people. I figured that went without saying, it's common knowledge how ruthless and poorly they treat their citizens. I was referring to Religions and such that stem from China, tend not to be the ones preaching loudly to covert others, or telling people they'll burn in hell for not believing. I brought up America not in history sense. But as an example to highlight how ignorant it is to say "This country or people in it can't comment against ______ because I don't like the state of their country". This being more in reference to him saying they can't be damning to creationism for their culture bit. Also, Creationism does threaten people. It's called hell. Ever seen those comments like "If you don't confess you'll burn in hell" "I wish you burn in hell!" etc? Hell is meant to be eternal torture, so when people say "Believe ______ or burn in hell" they are threatening them with torture.