[quote=Yog Sothoth] a good amount of science has to do with educated guesswork and trying to prove it to be fact. look at paleontology, that is mostly guesswork and is never truly proven to be fact, and that is a form of science. are you suggesting that science is always fact and never involves any sort of guesswork? my whole point is that at the end of the day both religious and non-religious people have tendencies to be assholes to one another, and claim to want the right to an opinion but insult others who don't share their opinion. [/quote] I'm not suggesting it as always fact, but scientific research DOES become fact, until proven otherwise. Then it changes if it's disproved. While I do agree that both parties can be assholes to one another, you forget one simply /fact/. facts =/= opinions. Don't worry, everyone is new to this at first. :gray