Unfortunately, I am going to leave this roleplay, for a few reasons. One of which is that my character is completely O.C. and I have found out that, that means he would be quite weak in the roleplay and in the description about assassins it says he has weaker combat skills to begin with... So yes, I would think super weak servant wouldn't be fun to play. (Forgive me if I'm wrong.) The other reason about why I'm leaving, was about the ridiculous amount of ridicule about O.C. characters, which unless I'm mistaken is going to continue even more, then it already has. It was nice to be accepted in the roleplay. And understanding that I was accepted, as an O.C. servant and the above point about him being weak should have stopped all this ranting about O.C characters, but it didn't.... I mean now was the time to pick apart the accepted characters like mine and whoever else was O.C. in the roleplay to deal with those characters and make them to be proper legendary or historical heroes. This also didn't happen. Instead a general rant ensued... With the continued bringing up of, "how o.c. characters don't belong and/or how they're wrong." To me it seemed like kicking a dead horse. Again and again and again. [quote=Tatsua Aiisen] I think this has reached the point where I may no longer be able to tolerate all of the OC's. It's hard enough for me to be in Free to begin with... [/quote] [quote=Tatsua Aiisen] Overall, I have no intention of leaving quite yet, and [u]I also don't really want to waste my time lecturing people on something that the GM seems to have no problem with.[/u] [/quote] Not even sure what your doing between these two posts. No you didn't lecture people about it, you simply couldn't stop writing about it. And Again if somebody had a problem with O.C.'s (being my character is one) then let me know and I'd change it. Unfortunately instead the rant continued. -__- (see below.) [quote=GuyYouWishYouDidntKnow] What Tatsua's saying is that a Servant needs some historical/mythological grounding, they can't be entirely OCs. EMIYA was eligible because of Counter Guardian shenanigans, Rin's pendant, and things of that nature. Fake Assassin has a historical basis but never actually existed, so the Grail searched through the Akashic Record for a wraith most similar to the legend of Sasaki Kojiro and summoned that wraith, which only ever happened because he didn't have a real summoning. The point is that both EMIYA and Not!Kojiro had justifications for being summoned as Servants, completely "original" Servants don't work in the same way. They need to have existed historically or in legend, rather than being some legend you made up.Also Mjolnir doesn't work as his NP for a other reasons, but that comes secondary. [/quote] The post below was in response to the post above. [quote=Tatsua Aiisen] I had no idea how wonderful it felt to have somebody with a similar suite of knowledge knowledge in a sea of people without it. Until now. I love you~As this awesome fellow said, EMIYA is a complete anomaly resulting from a clusterfuck of extraordinary circumstances all coming together at a precise, unlikely moment during the fifth HF. Using him as an example isn't fair, he isn't in the same category as ordinary Servants to begin with. [/quote] [quote=BB] Well then, since people seem to be having a debate over this, I think I'll take a chance to end this once and for all. Normally I wouldn't go this far, but I think just this once will be acceptable, for Tatsua's sake. [u]Now, I'm going to explain why having custom OC servants is not only impossible, I'm also going to explain why it makes your original servants far weaker then even the most pathetic and obscure normal Heroic Spirit.[/u] [u]Its been awhile since I've actually had to use quotes, but since I'm doing this, I'm going to do this right. A forewarning; this is not me questioning the admin of this roleplay. By all means, I respect Squalls authority and peoples have a right to have whatever kind of fun they want. Honestly, I don't really care which way this debate turns, nor do I honestly mind what decision is made.[/u] I am merely a wanderer who has found entertainment in what the outcome of this Holy Grail War could be.[u]-That being said, I will say that what I'm about to say is all fully canon. To choose to ignore it is essentially wholly ignoring the universe, its canon, and its mechanics that say that this isn't possible, not only that, if it was the OC servant would be horrible. Still, this is your RP. Do as you please, and I do say this sincerely. It's your roleplay. You decide what's best for it and your roleplayers.Now then! I've drabbled on long enough[/u], so I'll deliver my truths now.I'll pick every single argument apart and grind them all down until they're naught but dust. Sound kewl? Then lets begin.Alrighty folks! Here's the argument laid out nice and neat. I'll add a little spice to this one for the folks at home' even if this one is exceedingly easy.So then, lets start with "why OC servants make you weak". Well then we can already establish that inserting someone into history or legend who never existed there before won't work, because then you're just randomly making things up. So on a basis, that's already wrong, and I don't need to post quotes for that but hey, I will anyway.So you basically have to be a Hero who "achieved great deeds and were worshiped". Basically, famous people in the past; Hercules, Medusa, Medea, Alexander the Great, Napoleon, the list goes on. To actually make a "Heroic Spirit" you would have to make up a legend or historical person from scratch, and say they were a famous and known hero that I can enter into wikipedia right now and see if it was in the FSN universe.That takes anyone from the past completely off the table.Now, on to the future.You may ask "But BB sensei! Can't I just have a laser sword wielding space monk from the future as my Hero? Or perhaps a dual wielding SMG power armored clad FPS protagonist?"You'd be wrong, and this is why;Further, even if you could create such a Hero, you could not properly use them; As you can see you need a catalyst, and you won't have a catalyst if your servant is from the future.However, even if you do make a hero from the future, even if you do somehow magically summon them, there's the fact they're exceedingly weaker then even the weakest legitimate heroic spirit as;In other words, their fighting ability is low, and you get no Noble Phantasms to use. In other words, you're pathetically weak.You make me proud.I can give up my slot as Berserkers master to you, however if I do I would like to use one of the alternate classes that the side story introduced, or a non master magus. [/quote] Ok, I've underlined some parts in this post, I'll reply to them: I'm going to say this again, if you had a problem with O.C. characters in the roleplay and apparently that they are impossible-then p.m. the person about that, instead of sharing your knowledge about them like this. (You say that your just a wanderer, if that is the case then a wanderer who has a lot to say), which serves no real purpose, because by this point, in the O.C., with all the discussion about this, the point about o.c. characters being relevant or not relevant is already made clear. Ok, also if it's the G.M's roleplay then by respecting that, maybe you should refrain from saying to ignore my writing about the universe is against the universe. Because it just seems over the top and not necessary to write stuff like that. If anyone has any comments or questions or issues with this post, feel free to let me know. I will solve them the best that I can. I will still watch this roleplay as it seems awesome. Also thanks for reading this post, whether you agree with me or not.