[quote=TheSovereignGrave] I know, but there's still the fact that the nation is there now. I don't think we should get to say 'oh I don't want any raiders near my borders', people should be able to put their nation in any free spot on the map and make any kind of nation they want. And if there are raiders, and they take slaves, the only realistic outcome I can think of is that some of Raptor's people would end up as slaves. That's never what I had an issue with, the only problem I saw was that Boerd never even bothered to ask. [/quote] The problem is that Bored never asked, he just plopped his nation next to Raptor and expected him to be alright with it. That's rule #5 broken right there, regardless of how Bored wants to falsify things to make it seem like he is the one being wronged.